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08/06/2008

FOP rescinds Hagerstown City Councilwoman Kelly S. Cromer’s associate membership

By By ERIN JULIUS and DAN DEARTH
erinc@herald-mail.com

HAGERSTOWN — A local Fraternal Order of Police chapter last month rescinded Hagerstown City Councilwoman Kelly S. Cromer’s associate membership, and on Tuesday its members visited the Hagerstown Police Department to show support for Officer Christopher Watt, who stopped Cromer for an alleged traffic violation in May.

The FOP action was taken based in part on a June 19 story in The Herald-Mail in which Cromer was quoted as referring to Watt as a “liar,” according to a copy of a letter sent to Cromer by Dennis Mummert, president of the FOP Thomas Pangborn Lodge No. 88.

Mummert on Tuesday read the letter to Watt and other officers assembled at the Hagerstown Police Department.

The lodge members on July 16 voted unanimously to rescind Cromer’s membership, Mummert said in his letter to the councilwoman.

Cromer, who is a local attorney, had held an associate membership. Many local attorneys and judges hold such memberships, lodge members said Tuesday.

When asked about the FOP action, Cromer told a reporter before Tuesday’s City Council work session, “Don’t talk to me. I will never say anything to you ever again. Don’t talk to me.”

According to a supplement to a Hagerstown police report regarding the May 26 traffic stop near City Park, Cromer said, “Do you know who I am?” after Watt pulled her over and asked for her registration and driver’s license.

Watt also alleged in the supplement that Cromer used a sarcastic tone throughout the stop.

Watt gave Cromer a warning instead of a ticket.

In an interview following the incident, Cromer called Watt a liar, saying she never said, “Do you know who I am?” She said she asked instead “You know who I am, right,” not in an attempt to gain special treatment, but to avoid searching her luggage for her license if Watt already know her identity.

She also was quoted as saying the police department had a vendetta against her because she questioned the validity of a program under which some city employees are permitted to drive city-owned vehicles to and from work.

The Washington County Ethics Commission was asked by a member of the public to investigate the incident.

The ethics panel, in a decision made public July 31, said Cromer did not act unethically during the traffic stop. The commission said, however, that although her actions were not unethical, Cromer acted inappropriately during the traffic stop.

Bob Frick, treasurer for the lodge and retired Hagerstown police officer with 29 years of service, on Tuesday said Cromer never showed proof of a vendetta or that Watt lied.

Accusing a police officer of lying could hurt the officer’s testimony in court, Frick said.

“We have to support our own,” he said.

In a meeting with Watt and other Hagerstown police officers Tuesday, Mummert said the lodge supports Watt wholeheartedly.

“We hope he feels the membership stands behind him,” Mummert said.

Mummert said that in his three years as president, the FOP has not voted to rescind anyone else’s membership.

“We’re professionals. We expect everybody in our organization to be professional and act like professionals,” said Ben Ryland, a retired Hagerstown police officer with more than 28 years of service.

Cromer’s husband, Steven Cromer, who is a retired Hagerstown police officer, is a member of FOP Lodge No. 88. He was not present for the vote to rescind his wife’s membership, board members said Tuesday.


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From: emmaluvu

Tue 05 Aug 2008 08:28:56 PM EDT
Good Move FOP!!
From: seanmallory

Tue 05 Aug 2008 11:35:22 PM EDT
I agree -- good move. Classy response from Cromer to the reporter -- I guess the reporter didn't know who she was!
From: fnprincess

Tue 05 Aug 2008 11:57:58 PM EDT
As a fellow associate member I say good riddance and I am proud that an organization I am honored to be a part of has stepped up and made a great decision, I only wish we could take a vote and get her out of office as well! I also have to chuckle at her immature and so expected response to the reporter and kudos to the Herald Mail for quoting her, again she doesnt let us down when showing her true colors!
From: alexis7

Wed 06 Aug 2008 12:26:43 AM EDT
WAY TO GO FOP!!!!!!!! It is great when an organization stands behind their own! The public is with you officer Watt.
From: kesselww

Wed 06 Aug 2008 05:32:04 AM EDT
Just more proof of a vendetta
From: puzznutt

Wed 06 Aug 2008 05:44:36 AM EDT
I guess I'll have to change my bumper sticker, that says "DON'T TALK ME, UNLESS YOU KNOW WHO I AM". She still hasn't learn how to be nice yet, but hey that's who she is, you know she doesn't mean too come across as a nasty person. GOOD JOB, FOP!!
From: nitegracie

Wed 06 Aug 2008 06:33:12 AM EDT
As long as Cromer is in the news, Tim Roland needs to fear for his job! All this humorous entertainment and for free!
From: ejak123

Wed 06 Aug 2008 08:31:42 AM EDT
Great news! I think Ms. Cromer's ethical behavior as an attorney should be looked into next. Wonder if she has conducted herself ethically with her clients??? She sure proves herself to be a mean, nasty person (who doesn't mean to be...) with her sweet statement to the reporter. What did the reporter do to you Ms. Cromer? Must be embarassing to have your reputation tarnished. Glad that the FOP stood behind Office Watt!
From: jbmd22

Wed 06 Aug 2008 08:56:30 AM EDT
I don't live within the city limits. I'm so glad!
From: skinsfan

Wed 06 Aug 2008 08:58:59 AM EDT
At least one group in this city has ethics.
From: emmaluvu

Wed 06 Aug 2008 09:24:57 AM EDT
Does anyone else find it interesting that the Herald-Mail forums aren't accessible??
From: battlefield

Wed 06 Aug 2008 10:02:46 AM EDT
Seems like the whole scenario is immature. Me thinks the FOP protests too much! Not saying KC is without fault, but just over the top, IMO. Makes Hagerstown look juvenile all around.
From: DALEFAN

Wed 06 Aug 2008 10:28:17 AM EDT
Immaturity has nothing to do with it. The FOP made a statement and it was a good one. Just because the woman was elected to a City office, (and it would appear, in error), doesn't make her "special". I'm sure she was raised to have manners, but when she became a lawyer/councilwoman she decided she didn't have to exhibit manners to the "little people". We ALL need to respect each other. What does it cost to be courteous? Ms. Cromer needs to hone her "people skills". I'll be sure to avoid her if I have a need for an attorney.
From: VigilantKnight

Wed 06 Aug 2008 10:32:40 AM EDT
It sounds to me like someone needs to administer a breathalyser to Ms. Cromer. She's been drinking too much power. Maybe an intervention is needed when she comes up for reelection.
From: Ddj22

Wed 06 Aug 2008 10:46:14 AM EDT
Did anyone ever stop to think that maybe it was said the way she said it? Mrs.Cromer is not a "mean" or "nasty" person. I have met her at the courthouse before, She seems very nice and respectful. Your judging her all wrong! Mrs.Cromer is a wonderful person and an excellent attorney!
From: ejak123

Wed 06 Aug 2008 11:24:02 AM EDT
I too have met Ms. Cromer Ddj22 and I disagree with you completely! I am sure others do to. You don't need to have ever met her, watch her on the televised council meetings and in 5 minutes one can make up their own mind on her being so ''nice and respectful''. As for her being an excellent attorney...do you have first hand knowledge as a client??? Clients may disagree!
From: puzznutt

Wed 06 Aug 2008 11:37:03 AM EDT
I agree, what happen to the forum? Judging her all wrong? She is the one called Officer Watt a liar, how do you think this young officer feels, when he was doing his job, and a public offical called him a liar, and tries to ruin his reputation. She might be an excellent attorney, truthfully she has done some good work as a councilwoman, she does has some good ideas, but the problem is, she is a PUBLIC representive. (notice the word PUBLIC) She represents us, and I don't want someone talk for me like she has been doing, I don't called people liars, they got a vendetta etc. She needs to take a Customer Service course. Thank goodness she isn't running for president, she wouldn't do well for forgein affairs.
From: dwightdaughter

Wed 06 Aug 2008 11:40:29 AM EDT
I have no doubt that Ms. Cromer was sarcastic and condescending to Officer Watts. Not because I believe everything the police say, but simply because she placed the interpretation of her attitude back on the officer who did her a favor. To imply that she is often accused of being sarcastic when she "doesn't mean to be" indicates someone who needs to modify the way she treats others. The FOP acted appropriately by rescinding her associate membership. She accused them of having a vendetta against her. She called an officer a liar, and all over a traffic stop! Would we really expect the organization to support her membership? She should have more basic respect for the police and others, espcecially since she is a public servant. This type of behavior is not only nonproductive, but smacks of "what goes around, comes around."
From: cpakc1

Wed 06 Aug 2008 12:17:24 PM EDT
The Police officer should have kept his opinion off the report and this whole storm would have been avoided. The police need to be held accountable for the things they write and insinuate. This whole "oh if she was just nice" spiel makes me want to puke. Grow-up people, the woman is taking on some of the very core bureaucracy trying to gain some accountability for your tax dollars, and all you can give her in return is "well she needs to learn to be a little nicer." I Also agree this is a juvenile reaction by the FOP, but whate else would you expect, they always "support their own" no matter what the situation. Perhaps they should have a little conference with Officer Watts, and relay the time honored stand-by for completing reports "Just the facts"
From: jjeffers

Wed 06 Aug 2008 12:54:57 PM EDT
This reply is in response to cpakc1, who is obviously a supporter of Ms. Cromer. We can forget about the police officer and we can forget about the allegations of Ms. Cromer as it relates to this matter. Minimizing all of those issues still does not allow us to escape the fact that she presents her self with a "self described" perception of sarcasim. She has openly admitted to this perception yet she continues to act in a manner that perpetuates the perception. Now who is to blame for that. If people think that I am an idiot and I am awre of the perception, the wise thing to do would be to change my behavior while interacting with other. In flipping the script to Ms. Cromer, we must asked her why should would say anything to the media other than no comment.
From: alwaysfair

Wed 06 Aug 2008 01:23:56 PM EDT
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From: ak3601

Wed 06 Aug 2008 02:11:41 PM EDT
Thank goodness! Personally, I have an issue with her trying to place blame on an officer who tried to do the right thing. He was serving his community and as a member of a PUBLIC office, I would think she would applaud him for that! She is very lucky she was dealing with a young police officer who was probably worried about his job because I have a feeling that a veteran of the police department wouldn't have thought twice about giving her a ticket and NOT offering her a ride. With her arrogance and stupidity she should not have a seat on the council. As far as her comment to the reporter: she makes rude comments to people all the time, but she can't take it when people criticize her? Get a back bone and learn your actions have consequences (for god's sake, she is an attorney!)
From: jssnrc

Wed 06 Aug 2008 02:14:41 PM EDT
I cannot believe the Mentality of some of you people - Does anyone wonder why in the world the Hagerstown city police dept would go to such extreme lengths because Officer Watt had his feelings hurt. The whole situation is very juvenile and the citizens bought right into it, as they knew you would. It is obvious that they want to shut Mrs. Cromer up for some reason and will use what ever means necessary to make sure that happens. So the real question is why do they want to shut her up?
From: ejak123

Wed 06 Aug 2008 02:14:51 PM EDT
To the administration of Herald Mail: Why delete what alwaysfair had to say? Are we not entitled to free speech? If Ms. Cromer has other questionable ethical behavior, why can't it be discussed? If she has conducted herself unethically as an attorney, that should be brought to light as well. Why would anyone be surprised?
From: kool57

Wed 06 Aug 2008 03:49:14 PM EDT
some people think they are above the law.and to think she makes decision fore the people of Hagerstown.i have never met her and i hope i never do she sounds like a real winner.
From: asperez11

Wed 06 Aug 2008 04:00:07 PM EDT
Now everyone knows who she is!
From: hagjohn

Wed 06 Aug 2008 04:26:02 PM EDT
I think the officers should be recording any stop they make.
From: Lucy86

Wed 06 Aug 2008 04:31:00 PM EDT
Regardless of your status in the community you are obiligated when pulled over for a traffic violation to produce identification to the officer. I too could use a similar line KC used, but have never went there. It truely gets under my skin when individuals attempt to abuse the system. As a parent raising children it gets harder everyday trying to raise them to treat people with authority with respect. When they are constantly seeing celebrities and other public officials not. And they we wonder why our young people show little respect.
From: jaidon99

Wed 06 Aug 2008 05:16:07 PM EDT
A lot of people are angry with kromer, but she's no better than any of us. The speed limit going down to the city park is 25 and it should be at least 35 or 45. I personally got a ticket for doing 39 in a 25 in that area. Oh wait a minute, I'm male and I don't work for the city. She was doing 4 more miles over the posted limit than I but got off with a warning. The person that should be getting all this flack is the dispatcher or the officer's supervisor. He should have told the rookie to go back and get this woman's license or she would receive a ticket for failing to show her license on top of the speeding tickets. Nevermind that would have been the right thing to do and the hpd don't know how to do the right thing. Maybe everyone should drive down that street doing 43 miles an hour and when we all get tickets from hagerstown's finest, we can hire cromer to represent us!!!
From: workingman1

Wed 06 Aug 2008 05:35:43 PM EDT
Well it seems to me that there's ALOT of people willing to go along on the which hunt!! The FOP did as they normally do, kicking in with a knee jerk reaction to say that it is impossible for one of thier officers to be subjective in the writing of a police report to make himself seem holier than GOD. The entire point of her asking if he recognized her was to avoid unpacking a whole carload of luggage on a busy street in town! I'm all for Mrs Cromer on this one folks, a small comment taken out of context has started a world of trouble! Lets get back into focus people, if you were in her situation, would you want to unpack your luggage in the middle of the street? Or would you ask if there was a way for the office to do what he needed to do without it? I am POSITIVE that she would have done so if the officer told her he needed to see it, the fact is he DID recognize her and he DID proceed without the physical license, so evidently he didn't want her unpacking her luggage in the street either!!
From: downfromunder

Wed 06 Aug 2008 05:46:47 PM EDT
Way to Go FOP. Let's hope she get's run out of office as well. I have had the pleasure of being pulled over by officer Whatt and I received a ticket. I will say this,that young man is one of the finest gentle men I have run into. He's respectful, kind, and explained what, why, and that's the reason I got pulled over. I never for 1 second believed this officer lied. Seems as if being in office for the city of Hagerstown, it's part of your job description, "You must be good at being a liar!"
From: downfromunder

Wed 06 Aug 2008 05:50:25 PM EDT
Sorry I hit the letter H when typing Officer Watts Name. I goofed.
From: jaidon99

Wed 06 Aug 2008 10:05:40 PM EDT
to workingman1- you don't get the idea that this was prejudice for an officer to say license and registration and he only received the registration. If she wants to speed down our BUSY street, she should be prepared to show her license to our city's finest. My wife and I are leaving for vacation next week, and when we return she can drive 43 down the same street and I hope officer watts is pulling us over. That way I can document what happens if your license is in your luggage and your not a councilwoman.

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