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aocasio
Bumped into this online and wanted to bring it to everyone’s attention.

Tikrit, Iraq

Nine miles outside of Tikrit, hidden in a spider hole, the US Forces found the deadliest Weapon of Mass Destruction. This WMD was responsible for the deaths of over 1.3 million people.

This new movie supporting the U.S. invasion of Iraq makes the case that a weapon of mass destruction was indeed found during the war - Saddam Hussein. This movie personalizes the 1.3 Million Mass Murders committed at the hand Saddam.

Before you cast your vote November 2nd, you must watch the heartbreaking eyewitness accounts, and unreported footage of some the most brutal murders in the history of mankind.

View Footage at http://www.wmddvd.com
Snoopy
Awww...how bad can Saddam be if France and Germany didn't wanna go after him? blink.gif He probably had a bad childhood.
BMIC
QUOTE (Snoopy @ Oct 18 2004, 03:29 PM)
how bad can Saddam be if France and Germany didn't wanna go after him?

Huh?

Bad enough that neither one of those cowardly countries would even consider it.
Snoopy
QUOTE (BMIC @ Oct 18 2004, 05:09 PM)
QUOTE (Snoopy @ Oct 18 2004, 03:29 PM)
how bad can Saddam be if France and Germany didn't wanna go after him?

Huh?

Bad enough that neither one of those cowardly countries would even consider it.

BMIC you do realize I was being very sarcastic, right? Hence the blink.gif

I'm bright enough to know Sadam is one of history's most murderous and brutal dictators ever. If the Americam people saw much real footage of what he and his henchmen did to hundreds of thousands or millions of people, many only little children, most of them would not only have trouble sleeping afterward, but they might lose their lunch. It would make the guy who tied the dog to the RR tracks look like a choirboy. People like him will hopefully have a special place in Hell, and hopefully are among the last of a dying breed.
aocasio
The funny thing about this whole mess is that Richard Butler, the head of UNSCOM (the UN inspection regime in the early to mid 90s) refused to give Saddam Hussein a clean bill of health and when the matter came to a head, the UN backed down. Even Hans Blix refused to give Sadam weapons free certification.

Sorry for the bit of historical recap, but it seems that everyone forgets, that even Hans Blix says that Saddam Hussein probably had the weapons. Now the liberals stand in their holier-than-thou stance that Saddam Hussein was saint and we're the real terrorists.

It is language like that that makes me sick. In fact, I was checking this site, www.celsiu4111.com and the movie's trailer had this idiotic woman saying how she would like to live in a country with a dictator that provided free health care. People like her should not be allowed to contribute to the gene pool.
Snoopy
QUOTE (aocasio @ Oct 21 2004, 05:02 PM)
In fact, I was checking this site, www.celsiu4111.com and the movie's trailer had this idiotic woman saying how she would like to live in a country with a dictator that provided free health care. People like her should not be allowed to contribute to the gene pool.

Oh, I dunno. I think we need a couple idiots like her to keep reminding us that we need to be ever vigilant, lest we be overtaken by the dimwitted. Yet I hope someone suggested that woman go to any of the hundreds of countries that could fit the bill for her - Cuba's close. blink.gif
BlueBirder
Iraq certainly had enough time to hide the WMD. There's enough sand over there to hide anything that they want. Bush would have been criticized no matter what he would have done. It's easy for Kerry to critique every move Bush has made. It would be so easy to stand back and say someone should have done this or they should have done that after the fact.

It really pisses me off mad.gif how unsafe Kerry and his rhetoric is making this Country with his criticism of our President. Whatever happened to respect. Whatever happened to a person being tried for treason for speaking out against the USA. This would not have happened during WWII for the sake of the security of our Country. This whole freedom of speech thing is going to far, especially when it causes more harm to us then good.

Take Michael Moore and Kerry and the rest of these demoralizing out for fame idiots far far away. Yes, freedom of speech allows me to say this, but I am supporting the troops and our Country now that the decision had been made.
BMIC
Kerry's increasingly shrill and offensive shrieking criticisms of Bush are getting to be too much, especially when he's wrong... like with the missing explosives in Iraq...

Yesterday Kerry lambasts Bush for not having guarded them well enough, and all of the liberal media make it out to be a huge catastrophe that's somehow Bush's fault. TODAY we find out the explosives probably had been looted long before our troops even got there!

Kerry, you dumba**, and all of your stupid liberal media flunkies - if you're gonna scream and yell about something, at least check your FACTS first!
PHISH
QUOTE (BlueBirder @ Oct 26 2004, 10:47 AM)
Whatever happened to a person being tried for treason for speaking out against the USA.

huh.gif I mean - YEAH! And while we're at it - who gave women the right to vote anyway? laugh.gif
BMIC
QUOTE (PHISH @ Oct 27 2004, 11:40 AM)
who gave women the right to vote anyway?

Not ME! laugh.gif

BB, that WAS a little over the top ... but I sure do understand your anger. Kerry has turned into a flippin' maniac lately.
BMIC
Update on the missing explosives issue: Of course we knew the explosives were missing long ago. They weren't there when we secured the place. This is hardly news, but somebody decided to MAKE it so.

CBS had planned to hold onto the story and run it just 2 days before the election, with little time for Bush to investigate and defend himself, in order to sway voters. But others broke it first so they couldn't play that game.

But wait there's more . . .

"Major media outlets have constructed this story to appear that the Bush administration is to blame, a week short of an election. It's become fodder for the campaign, and in a close race like this, the story easily could sway voters," said Clifford May, a syndicated columnist and president of the Foundation for the Defense of Democracies, a District-based nonprofit group that analyzes global terrorist threats.

Attempts to manipulate the U.S. election with strategically timed leaks goes beyond journalists, Mr. May said.

"What has to be investigated here is whether [IAEA Director-General] Mohamed ElBaradei has attempted to manipulate an American election, and whether certain components of the American media helped him by not exercising sufficient journalistic skepticism," he said.

In an online column of the National Review yesterday, Mr. May wrote, "The Iraqi explosives story is a fraud."

"The IAEA and its head, the anti-American Mohamed ElBaradei, leaked a false letter on this issue to the media to embarrass the Bush administration. The U.S. is trying to deny ElBaradei a second term, and we have been on his case for missing the Libyan nuclear-weapons program and for weakness on the Iranian nuclear-weapons program."

(emphasis added)

So this all started with an anti-American U.N. goon, who conspired with the partisan liberal media to influence the election with a trumped-up, basically false story.
BKB
Oh my gosh, I have been finding myself watching FOX News lately, because among the biased media they are so biased towards Bush. It is refreshing, but at the same time the reporters are so goofy it's kind of embarassing!

This election is going to be CHAOS! Utter CHAOS i say!

NOBODY should forget why we went to war with Iraq. It was not because of the threat of terrorists or WMD. It was not for us to have a nation building effort. It was not for us to build a Democracy in the MIddle East. Maybe these were byproducts, but it was the fact that Saddam Hussein did not comply with Resolution 1444 (i think that was it) and Bush did not sit back and allow the UN to allow Saddam to keep preventing them from their mission. He never did report what he did with his previous WMD from the gulf war, which he used on his own people!

And as far as France and Germany go, ***I think** they were supplying weapons to Saddam, and it seems to me they were wrapped up in the Oil for Food scandal as well, so of course they did not want to cooperate.
BlueBirder
rolleyes.gif Yea....and I guess when Bush wins this election Kerry and his rich wife will take the whole election board to court. ph34r.gif Let us hope not. This is the worst Presidential race I've ever seen. Shame on you Kerry! mad.gif
BMIC
QUOTE (BlueBirder @ Oct 27 2004, 09:10 PM)
I guess when Bush wins this election Kerry and his rich wife will take the whole election board to court.

Oh I would count on it. The precedent was set in 2000. The Dems no longer care about integrity or fair play, and they don't even pretend to, anymore. It's lie, cheat, steal or whatever it takes to get what you want, and falsely accuse your opponents of the things you are really doing to divert attention, if you're a Democrat. mad.gif

Heck, the precedent was set even before that... sell tickets to the Lincoln bedroom, fondle all the young interns you like, and say it's nobody else's business that you're a total perv and a sellout to the Chinese - so what if you've got your finger poised over "the button" and the fate of the world is in your hands - personal integrity isn't really important. dry.gif
Snoopy
The explosives story was originally reported saying they were "looted". Over 380 Tons looted???? Quick math -- let's say each guy can carry 50 pounds of "loot" so that's 15,200 "looters". Pickup trucks? Okay, it's 380 pickup trucks. Looted? Gimme a break. It'd take 15-20 tractor-trailers to move that stuff, and the people and equipment to load it.

But Kerry couldn't wait to blame the president and the US (and indirectly, the troops - again) -- always looking for anything negative. But this "missing" explosive (whenever it went missing) is only a small drop in the bucket of what was in Iraq. Numbers? How about 0.019% of what the US had seized even by January!!!!!

Yep!

On January 21, 2004 NBC reported that we had already siezed 2 million tons of explosives in Iraq.

So this missing explosive is about equal to a shot-glass out of a barrel, yet we don't hear about the successes, and Kerry prefers to dwell on the shot-glass. mad.gif Is this the guy you want as CIC????
Snoopy
This just in...

Russia tied to Iraq's missing arms


By Bill Gertz
THE WASHINGTON TIMES


Russian special forces troops moved many of Saddam Hussein's weapons and related goods out of Iraq and into Syria in the weeks before the March 2003 U.S. military operation, The Washington Times has learned.

John A. Shaw, the deputy undersecretary of defense for international technology security, said in an interview that he believes the Russian troops, working with Iraqi intelligence, "almost certainly" removed the high-explosive material that went missing from the Al-Qaqaa facility, south of Baghdad.

"The Russians brought in, just before the war got started, a whole series of military units," Mr. Shaw said. "Their main job was to shred all evidence of any of the contractual arrangements they had with the Iraqis. The others were transportation units."

Mr. Shaw, who was in charge of cataloging the tons of conventional arms provided to Iraq by foreign suppliers, said he recently obtained reliable information on the arms-dispersal program from two European intelligence services that have detailed knowledge of the Russian-Iraqi weapons collaboration.

Most of Saddam's most powerful arms were systematically separated from other arms like mortars, bombs and rockets, and sent to Syria and Lebanon, and possibly to Iran, he said.

The Russian involvement in helping disperse Saddam's weapons, including some 380 tons of RDX and HMX, is still being investigated, Mr. Shaw said.

The RDX and HMX, which are used to manufacture high-explosive and nuclear weapons, are probably of Russian origin, he said.

Pentagon spokesman Larry DiRita could not be reached for comment.
The disappearance of the material was reported in a letter Oct. 10 from the Iraqi government to the International Atomic Energy Agency.

Disclosure of the missing explosives Monday in a New York Times story was used by the Democratic presidential campaign of Sen. John Kerry, who accused the Bush administration of failing to secure the material.

Al-Qaqaa, a known Iraqi weapons site, was monitored closely, Mr. Shaw said.
"That was such a pivotal location, Number 1, that the mere fact of [special explosives] disappearing was impossible," Mr. Shaw said. "And Number 2, if the stuff disappeared, it had to have gone before we got there."

The Pentagon disclosed yesterday that the Al-Qaqaa facility was defended by Fedayeen Saddam, Special Republican Guard and other Iraqi military units during the conflict. U.S. forces defeated the defenders around April 3 and found the gates to the facility open, the Pentagon said in a statement yesterday.

A military unit in charge of searching for weapons, the Army's 75th Exploitation Task Force, then inspected Al-Qaqaa on May 8, May 11 and May 27, 2003, and found no high explosives that had been monitored in the past by the IAEA.

The Pentagon said there was no evidence of large-scale movement of explosives from the facility after April 6.

"The movement of 377 tons of heavy ordnance would have required dozens of heavy trucks and equipment moving along the same roadways as U.S. combat divisions occupied continually for weeks prior to and subsequent to the 3rd Infantry Division's arrival at the facility," the statement said.

The statement also said that the material may have been removed from the site by Saddam's regime.

According to the Pentagon, U.N. arms inspectors sealed the explosives at Al-Qaqaa in January 2003 and revisited the site in March and noted that the seals were not broken.

It is not known whether the inspectors saw the explosives in March. The U.N. team left the country before the U.S.-led invasion began March 20, 2003.

A second defense official said documents on the Russian support to Iraq reveal that Saddam's government paid the Kremlin for the special forces to provide security for Iraq's Russian arms and to conduct counterintelligence activities designed to prevent U.S. and Western intelligence services from learning about the arms pipeline through Syria.

The Russian arms-removal program was initiated after Yevgeny Primakov, the former Russian intelligence chief, could not persuade Saddam to give in to U.S. and Western demands, this official said.

A small portion of Iraq's 650,000 tons to 1 million tons of conventional arms that were found after the war were looted after the U.S.-led invasion, Mr. Shaw said. Russia was Iraq's largest foreign supplier of weaponry, he said.

However, the most important and useful arms and explosives appear to have been separated and moved out as part of carefully designed program. "The organized effort was done in advance of the conflict," Mr. Shaw said.

The Russian forces were tasked with moving special arms out of the country.
Mr. Shaw said foreign intelligence officials believe the Russians worked with Saddam's Mukhabarat intelligence service to separate out special weapons, including high explosives and other arms and related technology, from standard conventional arms spread out in some 200 arms depots.
The Russian weapons were then sent out of the country to Syria
, and possibly Lebanon in Russian trucks, Mr. Shaw said.

Mr. Shaw said he believes that the withdrawal of Russian-made weapons and explosives from Iraq was part of plan by Saddam to set up a "redoubt" in Syria that could be used as a base for launching pro-Saddam insurgency operations in Iraq.

The Russian units were dispatched beginning in January 2003 and by March had destroyed hundreds of pages of documents on Russian arms supplies to Iraq while dispersing arms to Syria, the second official said.

Besides their own weapons, the Russians were supplying Saddam with arms made in Ukraine, Belarus, Bulgaria and other Eastern European nations, he said.
"Whatever was not buried was put on lorries and sent to the Syrian border," the defense official said.

Documents reviewed by the official included itineraries of military units involved in the truck shipments to Syria. The materials outlined in the documents included missile components, MiG jet parts, tank parts and chemicals used to make chemical weapons, the official said.

The director of the Iraqi government front company known as the Al Bashair Trading Co. fled to Syria, where he is in charge of monitoring arms holdings and funding Iraqi insurgent activities, the official said.

Also, an Arabic-language report obtained by U.S. intelligence disclosed the extent of Russian armaments. The 26-page report was written by Abdul Tawab Mullah al Huwaysh, Saddam's minister of military industrialization, who was captured by U.S. forces May 2, 2003.

The Russian "spetsnaz" or special-operations forces were under the GRU military intelligence service and organized large commercial truck convoys for the weapons removal, the official said.

Regarding the explosives, the new Iraqi government reported that 194.7 metric tons of HMX, or high-melting-point explosive, and 141.2 metric tons of RDX, or rapid-detonation explosive, and 5.8 metric tons of PETN, or pentaerythritol tetranitrate, were missing.

The material is used in nuclear weapons and also in making military "plastic" high explosive.

Defense officials said the Russians can provide information on what happened to the Iraqi weapons and explosives that were transported out of the country. Officials believe the Russians also can explain what happened to Iraq's weapons of mass destruction programs.
BMIC
Probably all of that's true, but we may never get proof of it. It does, at least, cast even more doubt on the whole thing. Meanwhile, I don't expect Kerry to stop mouthing off about it.
jdowning
The CIA should certainly know whats going on, wouldnt you think? Certainly they're not going to notify the AP about the issue.
BMIC
QUOTE (jdowning @ Nov 23 2004, 08:49 PM)
The CIA should certainly know whats going on, wouldnt you think? Certainly they're not going to notify the AP about the issue.

From what I've read the CIA is pretty clueless and ineffective when it comes to the Arab countries. I doubt they know much more than the rest of us. I hear that in that region of the world, most CIA agents sit in their hotel rooms and get their info from local newspapers. Supposedly covert ops are all but impossible in that region.

Of course, that's only according to the articles I've read, which have been very critical of the CIA.
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