Palmeiro has just been suspended for 10 games for violating the steroid policy!!
First big name guy they get and unfortunately its Raffy. after looking into the faces of congressmen and emphatically calling Canseco a liar and swearing to have never used he gets busted
Full Version: Say it aint so Raffy!!!!!!
I just heard that on the news. I'm so upset! I thought he represented himself so well at the hearing, then this!I second it...say it ain't so!
Third. Damn. I wouldn't have thunk it.
What an idiot. Any athlete with half a brain knows how to beat 'roids tests. Then again, maybe he was drugged and didn't know it? If not, he just looks like a real dummy.
Maybe Jose is more right than anyone gave him credit for...?
QUOTE (Biggins @ Aug 1 2005, 04:55 PM)
Maybe Jose is more right than anyone gave him credit for...?
Raffy isn't a long home run hitter...just has a smooth swing...so I thought
So if he's been taking steroids all this time, no wonder he's been promoting Viagra. He needs Viagra to make his steroid shrunken self function.
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"I have never used steroids. Period," he told a congressional panel in March
What a load of crap!! It is very surprising to me that Raffy got caught up in steroid use. Wow!
QUOTE (Biggins @ Aug 1 2005, 05:55 PM)
So if he's been taking steroids all this time, no wonder he's been promoting Viagra. He needs Viagra to make his steroid shrunken self function.
It just concretes my belief about ALL pro sports.... They are rigged. 
Any one caught using steroids should be forever banned from playing pro sports, and all his records erased from the books.
No wonder he's got in excess of 3,000 hits.
No wonder he's got in excess of 3,000 hits.
Before somebody told him to just keep his mouth shut, I think I heard he said something about taking some supplements that may have been contaminated, or some of the stuff like prohormones that were legal a year or so ago. Now he's clammed up, so we may ever know, but I think there's reaon enough to believe that he may have honestly not have thought he did anything wrong - in fact, depending on facts that may or may not ever come out, he may not have done anything technically wrong. In fact, there are one or two hormonal products that are still being sold legally that can do the same things to you as DEA-listed illegal steroids.
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He also offered an unequivocal defense of Palmeiro, a friend from their days together with the Texas Rangers in the early 1990s. Bush was the team's managing partner when Palmeiro played in Texas.
The Orioles slugger was suspended for 10 days after testing positive for steroid use, despite his insistence that he never intentionally used the prohibited substance. Bush has been an outspoken critic of steroid abuse.
"Rafael Palmeiro is a friend. He testified in public and I believe him," Bush said, referring to Palmeiro's denials under oath to a congressional committee on March 17. "He's the kind of person that's going to stand up in front of the klieg lights and say he didn't use steroids, and I believe him. Still do."
The Orioles slugger was suspended for 10 days after testing positive for steroid use, despite his insistence that he never intentionally used the prohibited substance. Bush has been an outspoken critic of steroid abuse.
"Rafael Palmeiro is a friend. He testified in public and I believe him," Bush said, referring to Palmeiro's denials under oath to a congressional committee on March 17. "He's the kind of person that's going to stand up in front of the klieg lights and say he didn't use steroids, and I believe him. Still do."
Bush believes him he must be innocent I mean the man is never wrong.
QUOTE (tattoomeb @ Aug 2 2005, 01:07 PM)
Bush believes him he must be innocent I mean the man is never wrong.
There you have it then. Case closed.
He indeed said it wasn't so, that he didn't knowingly take 'em but somehow tested positive. Those who knowingly take 'roids can figure out without much difficulty what to do to avoid testing positive. They would, as I said, have to be pretty stupid to mess up and actually get caught. I'm thinking that it's more likely that somehow or another, this guy was drugged unintentionally.
A couple of paragraphs from his statement:
"I am here to make it very clear that I have never intentionally used steroids. Never. Ever. Period. When I found out that I failed a test under the new drug policy, I filed a grievance and challenged the suspension on the basis that I have never intentionally taken a banned substance. Ultimately, although I never intentionally put a banned substance into my body the independent arbitrator ruled that I had to be suspended under the terms of the program.
I am sure you will ask how I tested positive for a banned substance. As I look back, I don't have a specific answer to give.
Unfortunately, I wasn't able to explain to the arbitrator how the banned substance entered my body. The arbitrator did not find that I used a banned substance intentionally in fact, he said he found my testimony to be compelling but he ruled that I could not meet the heavy burden imposed on players who test positive under the new drug policy."
He goes on, and I find his statement compelling. IMO, he got screwed somehow.
A couple of paragraphs from his statement:
"I am here to make it very clear that I have never intentionally used steroids. Never. Ever. Period. When I found out that I failed a test under the new drug policy, I filed a grievance and challenged the suspension on the basis that I have never intentionally taken a banned substance. Ultimately, although I never intentionally put a banned substance into my body the independent arbitrator ruled that I had to be suspended under the terms of the program.
I am sure you will ask how I tested positive for a banned substance. As I look back, I don't have a specific answer to give.
Unfortunately, I wasn't able to explain to the arbitrator how the banned substance entered my body. The arbitrator did not find that I used a banned substance intentionally in fact, he said he found my testimony to be compelling but he ruled that I could not meet the heavy burden imposed on players who test positive under the new drug policy."
He goes on, and I find his statement compelling. IMO, he got screwed somehow.
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DETROIT (AP) -- Seattle Mariners pitcher Ryan Franklin was suspended 10 days for violating his sport's steroids policy, the eighth major league player caught under the tougher rules enacted this year prohibiting performance-enhancing substances.
Maybe all eight got screwed. If they are taking things they are unsure of they shouldn't take them. Short of them finding out someone dosed him without his knowledge IMO it is still his fault.
Honestly, if he is STILL around the people/life of taking supplements (no matter legal or illegal or who knows the difference), I feel he hasn't learned a lesson and I feel that he does not care. I guess he didn't learn anything from going to Capitol Hill because he is STILL obviously taking supplements (no matter what they are) that are not legal, period?
Athletes take supplements, period. Vitamins, minerals, protein and carb drinks that aren't really that much fancier than Gatorade, which lots of people drink.
There HAVE been a few well-publicized cases of Olympic athletes allegedly testing positive for steroids after taking innocuous products like protein drinks that may have become cross-contaminated by the manufacturer with substances which were legal at the time but have since been banned and cause those taking them to test positive for steroids. Nor-andro prohormones convert to Deca when ingested and can be detected at extremely low levels for up to 2 years after taking them, for example.
How many of you take vitamins, for heaven's sake? If you got ahold of a newfangled vitamin that you later found out contained something that could made you test positive for amphetamines on a workplace drug test, would you feel it was right if you were fired for it? Did any of you take the old version of Herbalife for example?
Believe me it's not like I give a hoot about baseball or any baseball players - it's a sissy sport IMO and none of them need to take any supplements for it, IMO. But I do know enough to know that this guy is just as likely to be a victim as not in this case.
There HAVE been a few well-publicized cases of Olympic athletes allegedly testing positive for steroids after taking innocuous products like protein drinks that may have become cross-contaminated by the manufacturer with substances which were legal at the time but have since been banned and cause those taking them to test positive for steroids. Nor-andro prohormones convert to Deca when ingested and can be detected at extremely low levels for up to 2 years after taking them, for example.
How many of you take vitamins, for heaven's sake? If you got ahold of a newfangled vitamin that you later found out contained something that could made you test positive for amphetamines on a workplace drug test, would you feel it was right if you were fired for it? Did any of you take the old version of Herbalife for example?
Believe me it's not like I give a hoot about baseball or any baseball players - it's a sissy sport IMO and none of them need to take any supplements for it, IMO. But I do know enough to know that this guy is just as likely to be a victim as not in this case.
Raffy doesn't even look like he uses steroids. Damn shame if its true.
I'm sorry to disappoint BMIC, but Raffy didn't test positive for some plain old vitamin...
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2123113
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Source: Palmeiro tested positive for stanozolol
ESPN.com news services
Rafael Palmeiro tested positive for the potent anabolic steroid stanozolol, the same substance Olympic sprinter Ben Johnson of Canada took in 1988, The New York Times reported on its Web site Tuesday night.
Johnson was stripped of a gold medal in 1988 after testing positive for that steroid.
According to a source with direct knowledge of baseball's drug-testing program, stanozolol, known by its brand name, Winstrol, was detected in the Baltimore Orioles first baseman.
"It's a mildly strong to strong steroid," Dr. Gary Wadler, a professor at New York University and an expert in sports doping, told the newspaper. "Potent is the word I would use."
On Monday, the 40-year-old Palmeiro was suspended for 10 days under the toughened major-league policy that took effect in March. Tuesday, Seattle Mariners pitcher Ryan Franklin was the eighth major-leaguer to be suspended for a positive test.
Palmeiro's suspension came five months after the player appeared before a congressional panel to dramatically deny he had ever used steroids.
While he didn't deny testing positive for the drugs, Palmeiro insisted Monday that ingesting them was an accident.
"When I testified in front of Congress, I know that I was testifying under oath and I told the truth," he said during a telephone conference call. "Today I am telling the truth again that I did not do this intentionally or knowingly."
Without giving specifics, the four-time All-Star left the impression that the banned substance was contained in a supplement that was not prescribed. He said it was an "embarrassing situation" and still did not know what caused the positive test.
"Why would I do this in a year when I went in front of Congress and I testified and I told the truth?" he said. "Why would I do this during a season where I was going to get to 3,000 hits? It just makes no sense. … I'm not a crazy person."
On July 15, Palmeiro joined Hank Aaron, Willie Mays and Eddie Murray as the only players with 3,000 hits and 500 homers.
Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.
ESPN.com news services
Rafael Palmeiro tested positive for the potent anabolic steroid stanozolol, the same substance Olympic sprinter Ben Johnson of Canada took in 1988, The New York Times reported on its Web site Tuesday night.
Johnson was stripped of a gold medal in 1988 after testing positive for that steroid.
According to a source with direct knowledge of baseball's drug-testing program, stanozolol, known by its brand name, Winstrol, was detected in the Baltimore Orioles first baseman.
"It's a mildly strong to strong steroid," Dr. Gary Wadler, a professor at New York University and an expert in sports doping, told the newspaper. "Potent is the word I would use."
On Monday, the 40-year-old Palmeiro was suspended for 10 days under the toughened major-league policy that took effect in March. Tuesday, Seattle Mariners pitcher Ryan Franklin was the eighth major-leaguer to be suspended for a positive test.
Palmeiro's suspension came five months after the player appeared before a congressional panel to dramatically deny he had ever used steroids.
While he didn't deny testing positive for the drugs, Palmeiro insisted Monday that ingesting them was an accident.
"When I testified in front of Congress, I know that I was testifying under oath and I told the truth," he said during a telephone conference call. "Today I am telling the truth again that I did not do this intentionally or knowingly."
Without giving specifics, the four-time All-Star left the impression that the banned substance was contained in a supplement that was not prescribed. He said it was an "embarrassing situation" and still did not know what caused the positive test.
"Why would I do this in a year when I went in front of Congress and I testified and I told the truth?" he said. "Why would I do this during a season where I was going to get to 3,000 hits? It just makes no sense. … I'm not a crazy person."
On July 15, Palmeiro joined Hank Aaron, Willie Mays and Eddie Murray as the only players with 3,000 hits and 500 homers.
Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.
http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2123113
Winny's not even a halfway decent 'roid to take all by itself. But if true it's not likely to be an inadvertent contamination so much as either a botched test or someone intentionally drugging his food or something. If true, that is - unnamed sources don't inspire confidence these days... not with the mainstream media caught making up stories all over the place in recent years.
I see 3 possibilities:
1. He knowingly took it and got caught and is a lying SOB.
2. He got it inadvertently because it was an unlisted ingredient in a protien drink, vitamin suplement, etc.
3. Someone who didn't like him found a way to get a dose or two into his Gatorade cup or steak at a restaurant or whatever.
If it is #2, he has the bucks to buy some of everything he took in the last 3 years and send it to an independent lab to have it analyzed.
If it is 1 or 3 it comes down to believability and cannot be proven. A lie detector test might help but I know from personal experience of having taken one that they are not infallible.
1. He knowingly took it and got caught and is a lying SOB.
2. He got it inadvertently because it was an unlisted ingredient in a protien drink, vitamin suplement, etc.
3. Someone who didn't like him found a way to get a dose or two into his Gatorade cup or steak at a restaurant or whatever.
If it is #2, he has the bucks to buy some of everything he took in the last 3 years and send it to an independent lab to have it analyzed.
If it is 1 or 3 it comes down to believability and cannot be proven. A lie detector test might help but I know from personal experience of having taken one that they are not infallible.
No matter what, I am disappointed even though I don't like the Orioles. He is/was one of the greatest players of all time. I did believe him when he testified in front of the House/Senate Committee, but maybe he's just a great liar...
He never had more than 10 HRs until 1993, and suddenly never hit less than 38 per year, so is it coincidence that the first year he started hitting for power (1993) was his first season with Canseco?
He never had more than 10 HRs until 1993, and suddenly never hit less than 38 per year, so is it coincidence that the first year he started hitting for power (1993) was his first season with Canseco?
QUOTE (Biggins @ Aug 3 2005, 08:54 AM)
is it coincidence that the first year he started hitting for power (1993) was his first season with Canseco?
You're implying that Canseco's success was based solely on the use of steroids. I'm not so sure that's a valid assertion.
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You're implying that Canseco's success was based solely on the use of steroids. I'm not so sure that's a valid assertion.
No he is implying that Raffy's success is coincedental to the fact his stats jumped when he started playing with Canseco. Who used steroids. The question is did Raffy start using when he met Canseco? Didn't Canseco claim to have shot Raffy up with steroids when this whole dicussion about his book began?
QUOTE (tattoomeb @ Aug 3 2005, 11:58 AM)
The question is did Raffy start using when he met Canseco?
No. The question is: did Raffy ever start using or was he drugged?
http://banderasnews.com/0502/entbk-juiced.htm
The more this whole thing goes on I think Canseco is a lot less of a liar than all these other players would have people believe.
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Canseco said that he believed that Oakland traded him to the Texas Rangers in 1992 because of his well-known reputation for using steroids, but once a Ranger, he said, he became a performance-enhancing mentor to Juan Gonzalez, Rafael Palmeiro and Ivan Rodriguez.
"Soon I was injecting all three of them," he wrote. "I personally injected each of those three guys, many times." The results on those three Rangers stars led more players to seek his advice, Canseco wrote.
"Soon I was injecting all three of them," he wrote. "I personally injected each of those three guys, many times." The results on those three Rangers stars led more players to seek his advice, Canseco wrote.
The more this whole thing goes on I think Canseco is a lot less of a liar than all these other players would have people believe.
http://sports.myway.com/news/08032005/v8567.html
It is good he's cooperating maybe we will get a definative answer.
Although should the government really even be involved much less wasting time on this?
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Rafael Palmeiro has agreed to release information about his failed drug test to Congress, including the results, dates of the tests and other relevant details.
The Baltimore Orioles slugger tested positive for the powerful steroid stanozonol, a person with knowledge of the sport's drug-testing program told The Associated Press on condition of anonymity Wednesday. The person did not want to be identified because the sport prohibits disclosure about test results without authorization.
Government Reform Committee chairman Tom Davis, a Virginia Republican, and ranking Democrat Henry Waxman of California issued a statement Wednesday saying Palmeiro has "pledged his full cooperation" with their inquiry.
"The Government Reform Committee today is requesting from Major League Baseball documents related to Rafael Palmeiro's suspension for a positive steroids test. The Committee is seeking the results of the drug tests, the date of the tests, and other relevant information," the Davis-Waxman statement said.
"He has agreed to authorize the release of all relevant documents to the Committee, which will help us fully understand the facts of the situation. Once we review the documents, we will determine our next step."
In confirming that he would cooperate with the committee, Palmeiro said that if it has any additional questions, "I am ready and willing to answer each and every one of them."
The Baltimore Orioles slugger tested positive for the powerful steroid stanozonol, a person with knowledge of the sport's drug-testing program told The Associated Press on condition of anonymity Wednesday. The person did not want to be identified because the sport prohibits disclosure about test results without authorization.
Government Reform Committee chairman Tom Davis, a Virginia Republican, and ranking Democrat Henry Waxman of California issued a statement Wednesday saying Palmeiro has "pledged his full cooperation" with their inquiry.
"The Government Reform Committee today is requesting from Major League Baseball documents related to Rafael Palmeiro's suspension for a positive steroids test. The Committee is seeking the results of the drug tests, the date of the tests, and other relevant information," the Davis-Waxman statement said.
"He has agreed to authorize the release of all relevant documents to the Committee, which will help us fully understand the facts of the situation. Once we review the documents, we will determine our next step."
In confirming that he would cooperate with the committee, Palmeiro said that if it has any additional questions, "I am ready and willing to answer each and every one of them."
It is good he's cooperating maybe we will get a definative answer.
Although should the government really even be involved much less wasting time on this?
Interesting questions. Good discussion. Surprisingly so, since I couldn't care less about baseball.
Perjury for Palmeiro? Congress looking into it
Perjury for Palmeiro?(Full Article)
This could get very interesting!
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Congress isn’t through with Rafael Palmeiro.
A House committee will investigate whether the Baltimore Orioles slugger committed perjury by testifying under oath that he never took performance-enhancing drugs.
On March 17, Palmeiro appeared before Davis’ panel, jabbed his finger in the air for emphasis and declared: “I have never used steroids. Period.”
Palmeiro tested positive for the powerful steroid stanozolol, a person with knowledge of the sport’s drug-testing program told The Associated Press on condition of anonymity. The person did not want to be identified because the sport prohibits disclosure of test results without authorization.
The positive test came after Palmeiro’s appearance before Congress but before he notched his 3,000th hit last month. That means he reached the milestone — joining Hank Aaron, Willie Mays and Eddie Murray as the only players with 3,000 hits and 500 homers — after he knew about the positive results, the source told the AP.
A House committee will investigate whether the Baltimore Orioles slugger committed perjury by testifying under oath that he never took performance-enhancing drugs.
On March 17, Palmeiro appeared before Davis’ panel, jabbed his finger in the air for emphasis and declared: “I have never used steroids. Period.”
Palmeiro tested positive for the powerful steroid stanozolol, a person with knowledge of the sport’s drug-testing program told The Associated Press on condition of anonymity. The person did not want to be identified because the sport prohibits disclosure of test results without authorization.
The positive test came after Palmeiro’s appearance before Congress but before he notched his 3,000th hit last month. That means he reached the milestone — joining Hank Aaron, Willie Mays and Eddie Murray as the only players with 3,000 hits and 500 homers — after he knew about the positive results, the source told the AP.
Perjury for Palmeiro?(Full Article)
This could get very interesting!
I read a transcript of an interview of Canseco. He impressed me as a person pretending to know much more than he does about 'roids, their properties and their uses. He made some very blatant misstatements that would show to anyone with any real knowledge that he's just a poseur. I'm not so sure I'd take his word at face value, as nobody did at first.
As for perjury, I guess it depends upon the standard of proof you require. He tested positive, and there's probably no likelihood one's going to refute the test results. But it's unlikely they can prove unequivocally that he knowingly took anything illegal, without an admission straight from his mouth. So regardless, this will probably never be settled in some peoples' minds.
As for perjury, I guess it depends upon the standard of proof you require. He tested positive, and there's probably no likelihood one's going to refute the test results. But it's unlikely they can prove unequivocally that he knowingly took anything illegal, without an admission straight from his mouth. So regardless, this will probably never be settled in some peoples' minds.
I'm giving up on this story until the real truth is revealed (if it ever is). Will Clark (Will the Thrill) inferred that he knew Raffy used steroids and was not surprised the he got caught...
Anyways, I'll try to wait to make a final FINAL judgment.
Anyways, I'll try to wait to make a final FINAL judgment.
QUOTE (Biggins @ Aug 4 2005, 09:53 AM)
I'm giving up on this story until the real truth is revealed (if it ever is). Will Clark (Will the Thrill) inferred that he knew Raffy used steroids and was not surprised the he got caught...
Anyways, I'll try to wait to make a final FINAL judgment.
Anyways, I'll try to wait to make a final FINAL judgment.
Will Clark is an idiot! He was an ass when he played and it looks like things haven't changed
Agreed, Samyo.
It's too hard to tell really. Now that I've gotten a chance to see him on video and read a bit more ofabout the things he has said and written, I see that Canseco is such an obvious low life scumbag that I think anyone who had any dealings with him is suspect, including Palmiero. So it really could be that either one of them is lying. I'm 100% undecided at this point.
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