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Snoopy
Here's a link to an interesting but fairly short article and a short basic science quiz.

http://www.osa-opn.org/view_file.cfm?doc=%...%3F%26KL4%20%0A

It contains good and bad news about Americans and their science knowledge -- and sometimes lack thereof. I'm sure we have some teachers -- and others -- who have a comment on this and how important -- or not -- it is. Have at it!
SMan
I missed one......Electrons are smaller than atoms. (T/F). My brain got scrambled for a second.
Idiot
QUOTE (SMan @ Aug 8 2005, 04:28 PM)
I missed one......Electrons are smaller than atoms. (T/F).  My brain got scrambled for a second.

I had to visualize the valence bands on that one. I'll bet a lot of people around here will get #5 wrong. laugh.gif

BTW, how do you know so much about my hardware?

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CommuterMike
yeah wookie, that's an interesting little signature.
momsapilot
Same results as tb. I'm much more science/math oriented than language/humanities. I guess that's why I went to pharmacy school. Go figure that I'm going back to be an elementary librarian. With math/sci you get real solid answers, not interpreted or inferred meanings that change with the view of the reader. I hate the fact that science is only 3 weeks per grading period for elementary kids. Not nearly enough sad.gif .
boe354
12 out of 13 correct for me. I missed #8. oops! unsure.gif
BMIC
13/13 - which you would expect, me being a scientist. Though of course, many of them assume you accept that the popular THEORIES of origins are facts, which is how they are (incorrectly) taught. Frankly, those were VERY simple questions.
Snoopy
QUOTE (momsapilot @ Aug 8 2005, 10:34 PM)
With math/sci you get real solid answers, not interpreted or inferred meanings that change with the view of the reader. I hate the fact that science is only 3 weeks per grading period for elementary kids. Not nearly enough sad.gif .

I agree that science is important, and many kids don't get enough. I'm a big advicate of science. But does science always provide the "real solid" answers? Yes, if you consider "we don't know" a solid answer. There is, and always will be, much that science studies for years with the greatest minds and yet still has only "we don't know" or "we think" as an answer.

What can we do as a society to help advance science among the whole population?
City Park Dad
100% not bad for a Stay at Home Dad!

Brian
Idiot
QUOTE (Snoopy @ Aug 9 2005, 08:02 AM)
What can we do as a society to help advance science among the whole population?


To start with we can read what the Union of Concerned Scientists say.

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Scientific Integrity in Policy Making
Investigation of the Bush administration's abuse of science


On February 18, 2004, 62 preeminent scientists including Nobel laureates, National Medal of Science recipients, former senior advisers to administrations of both parties, numerous members of the National Academy of Sciences, and other well-known researchers released a statement titled Restoring Scientific Integrity in Policy Making. In this statement, the scientists charged the Bush administration with widespread and unprecedented "manipulation of the process through which science enters into its decisions."

The scientists’ statement made brief reference to specific cases that illustrate this pattern of behavior. In conjunction with the statement, the Union of Concerned Scientists (UCS) released detailed documentation backing up the scientists’ charges in its report, Scientific Integrity in Policy Making.

Regrettably, The Bush administration has continued to undermine the integrity of science in policy making seemingly unchecked. To document new incidents that surfaced since the report's release, UCS released a second report titled Scientific Integrity in Policy Making: Further investigation of the Bush administration's abuse of science. Read selected cases from the two reports.

The two reports present the following findings:
 
* There is a well established pattern of suppression and distortion of scientific findings by high-ranking Bush administration political appointees across numerous federal agencies. These actions have consequences for human health, public safety, and community well-being.
 
* There is strong documentation of a wide-ranging effort to manipulate the government's scientific advisory system to prevent the appearance of advice that might run counter to the administration's political agenda.
 
* There is evidence that the administration often imposes restrictions on what government scientists can say or write about "sensitive" topics.

* There is significant evidence that the scope and scale of the abuse of science by the Bush administration are unprecedented.

Concern in the scientific community is still growing. Many scientists continue to speak out about their frustration with an administration that has undermined the quality of the science that informs policy making by suppressing, distorting, or manipulating the work done by scientists at federal agencies and on scientific advisory panels. You can find some of the most recent abuses of science as reported by the mainstream and scientific press here.


And then we can support their effort. You don't have to give $25, they'll take $5, $10, or whatever you want to give.

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Snoopy
Leave it ti Idiot to turn every thread into a Bush-bash fest. rolleyes.gif blink.gif Jeez, you're about as single minded as Ron sometimes.
momsapilot
Snoopy, I understand your point that what we believe as scientific fact today can be changed by future discoveries, either proving or disproving earlier theories, or explainig them further. However, on the whole, I like my solid answers...2+2=4, 2 hydrogen + 1 oxygen will make water. Not 2+2=3 because I interpret it this way, but 2+2=5 because you interpret it another way. We see difference of opinion in the writtten word all the time....just look at the political posts of some of our members.
Snoopy
QUOTE (momsapilot @ Aug 9 2005, 11:31 AM)
Snoopy, I understand your point that what we believe as scientific fact today can be changed by future discoveries, either proving or disproving earlier theories, or explainig them further. However, on the whole, I like my solid answers...2+2=4, 2 hydrogen + 1 oxygen will make water. Not 2+2=3 because I interpret it this way, but 2+2=5 because you interpret it another way. We see difference of opinion in the writtten word all the time....just look at the political posts of some of our members.

Oh yeah? Well I say water is D2O! So hah! And I don't like your attitude today, Missy! laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
cfulmor
Damn, the Bush administration is ruining everything. I never realized.

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BMIC
QUOTE (Snoopy @ Aug 9 2005, 08:02 AM)
But does science always provide the "real solid" answers?  Yes, if you consider "we don't know" a solid answer.  There is, and always will be, much that science studies for years with the greatest minds and yet still has only "we don't know" or "we think" as an answer.

VERY true. But most people don't realize that. True science provides few solid answers, but the version that most people buy into - PSEUDO-SCIENCE - offers all kinds of absolute assurances. Global warming for example.
BMIC
QUOTE (Idiot @ Aug 9 2005, 08:32 AM)
To start with we can read what the  Union of Concerned Scientists say.

To end with we can throw away everything that UCS and similar liberal pseudo-scientific enviro-nazi groups have to say. There is so much "junk science" going around these days that it's enough to make you sick! There are all sorts of so-called scientific activist groups out there. They often confuse matters so bad the average person has given up trying to understand any of it. Many true scientists are rightly highly skeptical of any claims made by anyone, including the various forms of the scientific "establishment".

As a result, I say that one of the most important things we can do in the area of science education is to teach kids how to critically evaluate what they read.
Snoopy
QUOTE (BMIC @ Aug 9 2005, 01:28 PM)
As a result, I say that one of the most important things we can do in the area of science education is to teach kids how to critically evaluate what they read.

That's a good point.

Add adults, too.
BMIC
QUOTE (Snoopy @ Aug 9 2005, 12:35 PM)
QUOTE (BMIC @ Aug 9 2005, 01:28 PM)

As a result, I say that one of the most important things we can do in the area of science education is to teach kids how to critically evaluate what they read.

That's a good point.

Add adults, too.

Definitely, and it certainly applies no matter what you think is junk science and what you think is gospel truth.

People definitely need to learn not to blindly accept what anyone tells them.
SMan
I visit this site ocassionally:

www.junkscience.com

It has some interesting debunking.
Idiot
QUOTE (BMIC @ Aug 9 2005, 12:28 PM)
QUOTE (Idiot @ Aug 9 2005, 08:32 AM)
To start with we can read what the  Union of Concerned Scientists say.

To end with we can throw away everything that UCS and similar liberal pseudo-scientific enviro-nazi groups have to say.

I know what you mean. A regular pseudo-scientific enviro-nazi group isn't so bad, but a liberal pseudo-scientific enviro-nazi group is just more than a person can stand.

Ni!............ Ni! Ni!..............Ni!

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BMIC
QUOTE (Idiot @ Aug 9 2005, 01:28 PM)
I know what you mean. A regular pseudo-scientific enviro-nazi group isn't so bad, but a liberal pseudo-scientific enviro-nazi group is just more than a person can stand.

Wrong, as usual. dry.gif

All enviro-nazi groups are by definitition also liberal. Your ignorance is surpasssed only by your ugliness.... hey I like that quote - thanks Kid!!
Idiot
QUOTE (BMIC @ Aug 9 2005, 01:40 PM)
All enviro-nazi groups are by definitition also liberal.

I looked for that definition in Webster's 3rd International and couldn't find it.

You must have read it in Limbaugh's unabridged dictionary right next to another of his favorites, Femma-Nazi. For anything he doesn't like, he just puts the word "liberal" in front of it and "Nazi" behind it. If you're against the war you're a Liberal Peace-Nazi. If you don't hate gays, Liberal Homo-Nazi.

They say it all and they fit nicely on a bumber sticker. That's still the GOP's most popular way to communicate with the base.

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cfulmor
Apparently the GOP was able to communicate with the base much better than the Dems, during the past election.

Kerry was unable to reach his "base", for a couple of reasons:

1. He didn't know who his base was, due to his inability to take a firm stand on anything.

2. Dem "strategists" couldn't find a decent selling point on the guy.


Just my humble conservative opinion.
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