http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/02/21/funeral.m...s.ap/index.html
Unbelievable. This just turns my stomach.
Full Version: Funeral Protesters
The "Reverend" Fred Phelps of the Westboro Baptist Church, is a religious wack who blatantly disrespects people who are mourning the loss of their loved one. All to further his cause of spreading hate and unnacceptance. He's a nut job and I pray that they are able to pass laws prohibiting protests at a funeral or service. At least they're trying to limit the distance of which you can do this. I know this boils down to freedome of speech, but this is really just despicable. Fred Phelps is the same person who held protests at Matthew Shepherd's funeral (the gay boy who was killed a few years ago) and held signs saying "God Hates Fags".
Anyway, thank god for people like Patriot Guard Riders who have taken it upon themselves to block the family members from seeing and hearing these awful people. I can't believe people could actually do something like this. It's really sad.
Anyway, thank god for people like Patriot Guard Riders who have taken it upon themselves to block the family members from seeing and hearing these awful people. I can't believe people could actually do something like this. It's really sad.
Even if he's correct in his beliefs, which I cannot say 100% either way, he's totally wrong to go about spreading his message in this way, by disrupting funerals. It turns my stomach too.
The bikers are good as long as all they're doing is shielding the families from having to hear this crap. If they're really just there to make trouble, which I suspect though the liberal scum at CNN will never tell us the truth of it, then they're just taking advantage of the situation and adding to the insult and therefore no better than Phelps' crew.
IMO, BOTH groups, and the reporters, need to go away and let the dead rest in peace!
The bikers are good as long as all they're doing is shielding the families from having to hear this crap. If they're really just there to make trouble, which I suspect though the liberal scum at CNN will never tell us the truth of it, then they're just taking advantage of the situation and adding to the insult and therefore no better than Phelps' crew.
IMO, BOTH groups, and the reporters, need to go away and let the dead rest in peace!
Where does free speech end and harrassment begin?? To me, this is harrassment.
Why do people who mourn have to put up with that?? It is great that there are people who are trying to block the view, but it is still making a circus out of a solemn occasion. Too bad the police can't just haul those protestors out of there. Unreal.
Why do people who mourn have to put up with that?? It is great that there are people who are trying to block the view, but it is still making a circus out of a solemn occasion. Too bad the police can't just haul those protestors out of there. Unreal.
The only reason the bikers are there in the first place is because the crazies from the Westboro church are chanting awful things to the family of the soldiers who made the ultimate sacrifice for their country. I think it's honorable. They wouldn't be there in the first place if the religious wacks weren't there. And if I had to choose between hearing the defamatory remarks of the Westboro church, or the chants of support from the bikers, I'd choose the bikers. Seems to be an easy choice to me. 
QUOTE (PHISH @ Feb 22 2006, 12:24 PM) 
The only reason the bikers are there in the first place is because the crazies from the Westboro church are ...
That's what they, you and the flaming liberal media say, and I know we can't trust any of you to tell the truth. Who came first - Phelps' jerks or the pro-gay biker troublemakers? Who knows? At least I know we can't trust CNN to tell the truth of it. Like I said, ALL of the protestors and the media need to go home and let these people mourn their loved ones in peace.
QUOTE (BMIC @ Feb 21 2006, 05:22 PM)
IMO, BOTH groups, and the reporters, need to go away and let the dead rest in peace!
Amen to that!
QUOTE (BMIC @ Feb 22 2006, 01:25 PM)
That's what they, you and the flaming liberal media say, and I know we can't trust any of you to tell the truth. Who came first - Phelps' jerks or the pro-gay biker troublemakers?
God forbid you believe something that came from a trusted news source. Phelps and the crazies have been pulling this for a LONG time B. This isn't the first time they've done this. The only difference is that now they're targeting the fallen soldiers, so people are angrier than when he was just targeting dead gay people. These people even had the audacity to protest Coretta Scott King's Funeral.
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Unfortunately for the mourners, protesters were also present. Camped out on the grass next to the church’s stone-carved sign, members of Rev. Fred Phelps’ Westboro Baptist Church of Topeka, Kan.—who have achieved notoriety by protesting at the funeral of slain gay college student Matthew Shepherd and the funerals of U.S. soldiers killed in Iraq—held signs that read Mrs. King was in hell because she was a “fag enabler” who advocated for gay rights, according to HoustonVoice.com.
These people are ruthless and exhibit behavior of the utmost disrespect. I'm just happy someone has finally decided to do something to block their signs and chants of hatred. It's disgusting.
Nobody in their right mind trusts CNN for unbiased news. They're liberals' puppets spinning the liberal agenda, and only fools like you take them at their word.
Phelps' crew is bad, no doubt about it. And so are all of the rabid pro-gay troublemakers protesting at these funerals. Both groups deserve equal condemnation for disrupting the funerals of our beloved fallen servicemen and -women. And just for the heck of it I'll throw in condemnation of CNN and the other liberal media outlets for catering to the biker gang's pro-gay activist agenda by giving this stuff all of the coverage that they have. They're just adding to the problem, as are you for supporting their propaganda here.
P.S. - Save your angry face for somebody who cares what you think.
Phelps' crew is bad, no doubt about it. And so are all of the rabid pro-gay troublemakers protesting at these funerals. Both groups deserve equal condemnation for disrupting the funerals of our beloved fallen servicemen and -women. And just for the heck of it I'll throw in condemnation of CNN and the other liberal media outlets for catering to the biker gang's pro-gay activist agenda by giving this stuff all of the coverage that they have. They're just adding to the problem, as are you for supporting their propaganda here.
P.S. - Save your angry face for somebody who cares what you think.
B - the day I care what you think, is the day I'll stop replying to your lies. The only reason I give your postings the time of day is to counter the hatred you spew.
So let me spell this out for you NICE And SLOWLY since you didn't get it the first couple of times I tried to relay this to you:
THE BIKERS AREN'T PRO-GAY. THEY ARE PRO-SOLDIER!!! THEY ARE THERE OUT OF RESPECT FOR THE FALLEN SOLDIERS AND THEIR FAMILIES.
Let me know if you still don't understand, I'll try to put it in even more juvenile terms since you like to twist things for only your own benefit.
So let me spell this out for you NICE And SLOWLY since you didn't get it the first couple of times I tried to relay this to you:
THE BIKERS AREN'T PRO-GAY. THEY ARE PRO-SOLDIER!!! THEY ARE THERE OUT OF RESPECT FOR THE FALLEN SOLDIERS AND THEIR FAMILIES.
Let me know if you still don't understand, I'll try to put it in even more juvenile terms since you like to twist things for only your own benefit.
QUOTE (BMIC @ Feb 22 2006, 01:45 PM)
Both groups deserve equal condemnation for disrupting the funerals of our beloved fallen servicemen and -women.
I agree that both groups need to go away and let the families mourn in peace. But I disagree that both groups deserve equal condemnation. If Phelp's group of crazies hadn't been there in the first place, the bikers wouldn't feel the need to protect the mourners. Phelp's and his followers need to get lost!
QUOTE (Naomi @ Feb 22 2006, 01:52 PM)
If Phelp's group of crazies hadn't been there in the first place
My point was, the only people who are saying Phelps group was there first are those who are supporting the bikers and their pro-gay message. O don't believe them. I believe that they are lying in oder to to justify their own misbehavior. CNN is a lying liberal propaganda organization.
And PHISH - YOU are the hate-mongerer here. Your hatred of pro-family, mainstream Christian Americans is what gets me going every time.
Hey Phish,
My point was that I think the police should have been on the scene to get rid of the Phelp's protestors from the very start. To me, the bikers blocking the Phelp's protest was fine, if the family did not mind. But, I think of the protestors as harrassment when it is at a funeral. I would have called the police and complained. Not sure if it is considered harrassment, but in my mind, it certainly is.
My point was that I think the police should have been on the scene to get rid of the Phelp's protestors from the very start. To me, the bikers blocking the Phelp's protest was fine, if the family did not mind. But, I think of the protestors as harrassment when it is at a funeral. I would have called the police and complained. Not sure if it is considered harrassment, but in my mind, it certainly is.
Besides, if the Police took care of Phelps' protestors, there'd be no question who was there first. Most places issue permits to protestors. If they're near enough to be harassing those attending a funeral, you would think a permit wouldn't be issued and they would arrest Phelps' folks for unlawfull assmebly or some similar charge. That would be the right thing to do.
QUOTE (BMIC @ Feb 22 2006, 04:25 PM)
My point was, the only people who are saying Phelps group was there first are those who are supporting the bikers and their pro-gay message.
CNN is a lying liberal propaganda organization.
CNN is a lying liberal propaganda organization.
Here are several links to other newspapers around the country that all report the same story, that Phelps and the crazies were there first, or rather the Patriot Guard Riders are only there to protect the families from the vile group headed by Phelps. Or I guess you're going to say these sources are all lying too?
Journal Star
The Tennessean
The Courier-Journal
Wisconsin State Journal
The Kansas City Star
Here's a quote taken from one of the articles, although this is stated in more than one article.
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"We were glad that the Patriot Guard Riders were there," said Jackie Pfender, the soldier's stepmother. "This group of protesters wanted to put something negative on Jonathan's funeral. In actuality, it became a positive thing because of the support we had."
Patriot Guard members only show up at funerals if invited by family.
Patriot Guard members only show up at funerals if invited by family.
QUOTE (BMIC @ Feb 22 2006, 04:25 PM)
And PHISH - YOU are the hate-mongerer here. Your hatred of pro-family, mainstream Christian Americans is what gets me going every time.
I have no hate B, that's where you're wrong. It's just not true. You've already made a name for yourself on these boards as being a little (or rather a lot
) extreme with your statements. So I'm not that concerned as to whether anyone would actually believe your statement.
B, I usually agree with most of what you say, BUT....
The Rev Phelps and his "clan" are not
Far from it.
The Rev Phelps and his "clan" are not
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pro-family, mainstream Christian Americans
.Far from it.
QUOTE (PHISH @ Feb 22 2006, 01:37 PM)
These people even had the audacity to protest Coretta Scott King's Funeral.
Well, the attendees of that funeral had the audacity to turn it into a politcal pulpit, so it must not have been that sacred.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11173305/
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The funeral at times turned political, with some speakers decrying the war in Iraq, the Bush administration’s eavesdropping program, and the sluggish response to Hurricane Katrina in mostly black New Orleans.
Sorry for the hijack. I wanted to address the politicizing of this funeral back when it occurred, but never got around to starting a thread.
QUOTE (SMan @ Feb 23 2006, 01:09 PM)
Well, the attendees of that funeral had the audacity to turn it into a politcal pulpit, so it must not have been that sacred.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11173305/
Sorry for the hijack. I wanted to address the politicizing at this funeral back when it occurred, but never got around to starting a thread.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11173305/
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The funeral at times turned political, with some speakers decrying the war in Iraq, the Bush administration’s eavesdropping program, and the sluggish response to Hurricane Katrina in mostly black New Orleans.
Sorry for the hijack. I wanted to address the politicizing at this funeral back when it occurred, but never got around to starting a thread.
It's no secret that I don't agree with the administration and the war in Iraq, but a funeral is the wrong forum to discuss politics, regardless of the message.
Is that so, PHISH? Even with that avatar, I never would have guessed that's how you feel about the president.
QUOTE (PHISH @ Feb 23 2006, 01:14 PM)
a funeral is the wrong forum to discuss politics, regardless of the message.
So you and your friends in the liberal media, and those outlaw biker jerks, need to STFU. Nobody gives a darn about your idiotic message anyway.
P.S. - I was not saying that Phelp's crew is at all respectable, just that all parties involved, and the liberal media, are all guilty of conniving together to make the funeral into a circus sideshow. Let the proper authorities handle it: the vigilante bikers are just partisan troublemakers.
QUOTE (BMIC @ Feb 24 2006, 01:24 PM)
QUOTE (PHISH @ Feb 23 2006, 01:14 PM)
a funeral is the wrong forum to discuss politics, regardless of the message.
So you and your friends in the liberal media, and those outlaw biker jerks, need to STFU. Nobody gives a darn about your idiotic message anyway.
Do you strive to be the biggest forum prick? Because you sure are winning!
And I didn't protest at a funeral, so don't tell ME to STFU. Besides, you're pretty arrogant if you think anyone cares anymore about what you have to say than they do me.
QUOTE (PHISH @ Feb 24 2006, 01:33 PM)
QUOTE (BMIC @ Feb 24 2006, 01:24 PM)
QUOTE (PHISH @ Feb 23 2006, 01:14 PM)
a funeral is the wrong forum to discuss politics, regardless of the message.
So you and your friends in the liberal media, and those outlaw biker jerks, need to STFU. Nobody gives a darn about your idiotic message anyway.
Do you strive to be the biggest forum prick? Because you sure are winning!
And I didn't protest at a funeral, so don't tell ME to STFU. Besides, you're pretty arrogant if you think anyone cares anymore about what you have to say than they do me.
You said it kiddo.
And I know that those "biker jerks" give of their time and money and effort all the time to raise money for Vets,MS,MD,CF,CP,Pediatric Brain Tumors,Breast Cancer,and the list goes on. And I say that the majority of the board either laugh at what big mouth has to say or they have him on ignore user mode also.
I rarely do this, but I just can't help it. BMIC, you say you are a Christian. You know there is a big difference in being a Christian by name or being like Christ. If Jesus were here today, He would be the first to talk to those bikers with compassion. Remember, He looks on the heart and not the outside. He was the toughest on the Pharisees. Those who were self- righteous. Pls think about it.
QUOTE (PHISH @ Feb 24 2006, 01:33 PM)
Do you strive to be the biggest forum prick?
No I conceded that title to economic a long ime ago. I see you're still in the running, but he's got you beat so far. But keep on posting your hate-filled liberal horse feces - the contest isn't over yet!
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I'm just observing their actions - not judging anyone. It wouldn't matter one bit if they were bikers or corporate executives in suits. (flame snipped - Heather) They're adding to the disruption and insult at those funerals. That makes them just as despicable as Phelps' crew, period. It has nothing to do with their chosen mode of transportation - so take your inferiority complex elsewhere.
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Chekingin, you obviously haven't been around long. You have no idea how little I care for your judgement of the relative "christianity" of my posts. You are neither my brother nor my keeper.
Hear ya, loud and clear!
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"You are neither my brother..."
You mean, sister???
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"You are neither my brother..."
You mean, sister???
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QUOTE (BMIC @ Feb 25 2006, 11:24 AM)
(flame snipped - Heather)
B - Totally uncalled for. I actually started out agreeing with you on this topic. But you just went off the deep end. It's comments like this that get posters that normally would agree with you, turn totally against you.
Checkingin has a point.
QUOTE (BMIC @ Feb 25 2006, 11:24 AM)
I'm...... not judging anyone. .........
flame snipped - Heather
flame snipped - Heather
You're always judging people, it's what you do. Whether you know them or not.
QUOTE (BMIC @ Feb 25 2006, 11:24 AM)
They're adding to the disruption and insult at those funerals. That makes them just as despicable as Phelps' crew, period.
No it doesn't, because they only show up if they're invited, unlike Phelps. The bikers are doing this to protect the families from the hate and ignorance of the Westboro Baptist Klan.
Quote from BMIC's post above:
"so take your inferiority complex elsewhere"
BMIC,
It is well known that bullies have a big inferiority complex and use belittling tactics to make themselves feel more important...... Not a nice thing to do, now is it?? Lighten up and use your sense of humor. I thought I noticed that you had one somewhere on this board. Bring it back!! I still say you must have had a really bad week. Picking on everyone! Calling us jerks and idiots and implying that all of our opinions are useless. But, of course, you aren't judging us, right? See what I mean? Don't kick us, we are not the dog! 
Your loving sister
P. S.
SMan,
Just so you know....I never kick my dog. I love my dog, too!!!
"so take your inferiority complex elsewhere"
BMIC,
It is well known that bullies have a big inferiority complex and use belittling tactics to make themselves feel more important......
Not a nice thing to do, now is it?? Lighten up and use your sense of humor. I thought I noticed that you had one somewhere on this board. Bring it back!! I still say you must have had a really bad week. Picking on everyone! Calling us jerks and idiots and implying that all of our opinions are useless. But, of course, you aren't judging us, right? See what I mean? Don't kick us, we are not the dog! Your loving sister
P. S.
SMan,
Just so you know....I never kick my dog. I love my dog, too!!!
Hijack- but hope it brings a smile.
Somebody emailed this to me today that has no idea of these forums and our spats.....
MY DAILY AFFIRMATIONS FOR A BETTER LIFE BACK
As I gently release my feelings of shame and guilt, I
become more in touch with my inner
sociopath.
I have the power and ability to channel my
imagination into ever-soaring levels of delusion and
paranoia.
I take full responsibility for all of my feelings and
actions, except the ones that other people cause.
I no longer need to suppress, deceive or compromise
myself in any way, unless I want to stay
employed.
In some cultures what I do would be celebrated as
"normal."
My intuition almost compensates for my lack of
self-understanding.
I am grateful that I am not as judgmental as all
those censorious, self-righteous idiots around me.
I need not suffer in silence while I can still whine
and complain.
As I learn to trust the universe, I no longer need to
carry as many guns
All of me is beautiful, lovable, and worthwhile, even
the ugly, despicable and stupid parts.
I will strive to live each day as if it were my 50th
birthday. I honor and express all facets of my
being, regardless of state and local laws.
Just for today ... I won't sit in my living room all
day in my underwear; I'll move the computer into
the bedroom.
Why waste time reliving the past when there is so
much to worry about the future?
The complete lack of evidence is the surest sign that
the conspiracy is working.
I am learning that criticism is not nearly as
effective as sabotage.
Becoming aware of my character defects leads me
naturally to blaming my parents and spouse.
To enjoy a successful relationship, I must learn to
make it look like I'm giving as much as I'm
getting.
Before I criticize a man, I walk a mile in his shoes.
That way, if he gets angry, he's a mile away
and barefoot.
Joan of Arc heard voices too.
A borderline personality is better than having no
personality at all.
I am at one with my duality.
TOP BACK
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Somebody emailed this to me today that has no idea of these forums and our spats.....
MY DAILY AFFIRMATIONS FOR A BETTER LIFE BACK
As I gently release my feelings of shame and guilt, I
become more in touch with my inner
sociopath.
I have the power and ability to channel my
imagination into ever-soaring levels of delusion and
paranoia.
I take full responsibility for all of my feelings and
actions, except the ones that other people cause.
I no longer need to suppress, deceive or compromise
myself in any way, unless I want to stay
employed.
In some cultures what I do would be celebrated as
"normal."
My intuition almost compensates for my lack of
self-understanding.
I am grateful that I am not as judgmental as all
those censorious, self-righteous idiots around me.
I need not suffer in silence while I can still whine
and complain.
As I learn to trust the universe, I no longer need to
carry as many guns
All of me is beautiful, lovable, and worthwhile, even
the ugly, despicable and stupid parts.
I will strive to live each day as if it were my 50th
birthday. I honor and express all facets of my
being, regardless of state and local laws.
Just for today ... I won't sit in my living room all
day in my underwear; I'll move the computer into
the bedroom.
Why waste time reliving the past when there is so
much to worry about the future?
The complete lack of evidence is the surest sign that
the conspiracy is working.
I am learning that criticism is not nearly as
effective as sabotage.
Becoming aware of my character defects leads me
naturally to blaming my parents and spouse.
To enjoy a successful relationship, I must learn to
make it look like I'm giving as much as I'm
getting.
Before I criticize a man, I walk a mile in his shoes.
That way, if he gets angry, he's a mile away
and barefoot.
Joan of Arc heard voices too.
A borderline personality is better than having no
personality at all.
I am at one with my duality.
TOP BACK
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QUOTE (Naomi @ Feb 26 2006, 09:35 AM)
QUOTE (BMIC @ Feb 25 2006, 11:24 AM)
(flame snipped - Heather)
B - Totally uncalled for. I actually started out agreeing with you on this topic. But you just went off the deep end. It's comments like this that get posters that normally would agree with you, turn totally against you.
Checkingin has a point.
What do you expect from a spiritually immature person?Thats why I say he's NOT a christian,but a fake.The sad part is,he's raising children.
More of the same years from now. hell,I'm more of christian than he is and I'm not even of that faith! 
He has nothing else but name calling. He's to be pitied really.Must be a sad way to live actually if you think about it..Have I mentioned lately how much I LOVE the ignore user feature?!!
From CNN
I hope this goes into affect so that these crazies can stop disrespecting those that sacrificed their life for this country, and their families.
QUOTE
Congress passes funeral protest ban
Bill targets group that taunts mourners at military rites
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Demonstrators would be barred from disrupting military funerals at national cemeteries under legislation approved by Congress and sent to the White House.
The measure, passed by voice vote in the House Wednesday hours after the Senate passed an amended version, specifically targets a Kansas church group that has staged protests at military funerals around the country, claiming that the deaths were a sign of God's anger at U.S. tolerance of homosexuals.
The act "will protect the sanctity of all 122 of our national cemeteries as shrines to their gallant dead," Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tennessee, said prior to the Senate vote.
"It's a sad but necessary measure to protect what should be recognized by all reasonable people as a solemn, private and deeply sacred occasion," he said.
Under the Senate bill, approved without objection by the House with no recorded vote, the "Respect for America's Fallen Heroes Act" would bar protests within 300 feet of the entrance of a cemetery and within 150 feet of a road into the cemetery from 60 minutes before to 60 minutes after a funeral. Those violating the act would face up to a $100,000 fine and up to a year in prison.
The sponsor of the House bill, Rep. Mike Rogers, R-Michigan, said he took up the issue after attending a military funeral in his home state, where mourners were greeted by "chants and taunting and some of the most vile things I have ever heard."
"Families deserve the time to bury their American heroes with dignity and in peace," Rogers said Wednesday before the House vote.
The demonstrators are led by the Rev. Fred Phelps of Topeka, Kansas, who has previously organized protests against those who died of AIDS and gay murder victim Matthew Shepard.
In an interview when the House bill passed, Phelps said Congress was "blatantly violating the First Amendment" rights to free speech in passing the bill. He said that if the bill becomes law he will continue to demonstrate but would abide by the restrictions.
Sen. Pat Roberts, a Republican from Kansas, said the loved ones of those who die have already sacrificed for the nation and "we must allow them the right to mourn without being thrust into a political circus."
In response to the demonstrations, the Patriot Guard Riders, a motorcycle group including many veterans, has begun appearing at military funerals to pay respects to the fallen service member and protect the family from disruptions.
More than a dozen states are considering similar laws to restrict protests at nonfederal cemeteries. The American Civil Liberties Union has filed a lawsuit against a new Kentucky law, saying it goes too far in limiting freedom of speech and expression.
Bill targets group that taunts mourners at military rites
WASHINGTON (AP) -- Demonstrators would be barred from disrupting military funerals at national cemeteries under legislation approved by Congress and sent to the White House.
The measure, passed by voice vote in the House Wednesday hours after the Senate passed an amended version, specifically targets a Kansas church group that has staged protests at military funerals around the country, claiming that the deaths were a sign of God's anger at U.S. tolerance of homosexuals.
The act "will protect the sanctity of all 122 of our national cemeteries as shrines to their gallant dead," Senate Majority Leader Bill Frist, R-Tennessee, said prior to the Senate vote.
"It's a sad but necessary measure to protect what should be recognized by all reasonable people as a solemn, private and deeply sacred occasion," he said.
Under the Senate bill, approved without objection by the House with no recorded vote, the "Respect for America's Fallen Heroes Act" would bar protests within 300 feet of the entrance of a cemetery and within 150 feet of a road into the cemetery from 60 minutes before to 60 minutes after a funeral. Those violating the act would face up to a $100,000 fine and up to a year in prison.
The sponsor of the House bill, Rep. Mike Rogers, R-Michigan, said he took up the issue after attending a military funeral in his home state, where mourners were greeted by "chants and taunting and some of the most vile things I have ever heard."
"Families deserve the time to bury their American heroes with dignity and in peace," Rogers said Wednesday before the House vote.
The demonstrators are led by the Rev. Fred Phelps of Topeka, Kansas, who has previously organized protests against those who died of AIDS and gay murder victim Matthew Shepard.
In an interview when the House bill passed, Phelps said Congress was "blatantly violating the First Amendment" rights to free speech in passing the bill. He said that if the bill becomes law he will continue to demonstrate but would abide by the restrictions.
Sen. Pat Roberts, a Republican from Kansas, said the loved ones of those who die have already sacrificed for the nation and "we must allow them the right to mourn without being thrust into a political circus."
In response to the demonstrations, the Patriot Guard Riders, a motorcycle group including many veterans, has begun appearing at military funerals to pay respects to the fallen service member and protect the family from disruptions.
More than a dozen states are considering similar laws to restrict protests at nonfederal cemeteries. The American Civil Liberties Union has filed a lawsuit against a new Kentucky law, saying it goes too far in limiting freedom of speech and expression.
I hope this goes into affect so that these crazies can stop disrespecting those that sacrificed their life for this country, and their families.
What do we need more laws for? They don't enforce the ones they have now. I suggest we as a people begin to look into proper etiquette...and Shame! Shame on these fools who protest. I liked the idea that the motorcyclists were surrounding the mourners and keeping a distance between the bereaved and the idiot protestors...BTW--I saw a shot on a tv show where the protestor's message was gay rights now!(what did that have to do with the war??). 
QUOTE (txexpatriot @ May 25 2006, 01:03 PM)
BTW--I saw a shot on a tv show where the protestor's message was gay rights now!(what did that have to do with the war??).
The protestors have a warped sense of logic whereby they believe that soldiers are dying because God is punishing the U.S. for being a country that supports homosexuality.
QUOTE (WVDragonlady @ Feb 27 2006, 07:20 AM)
Thats why I say he's NOT a christian,but a fake.
That's right - I'm not Christian at all, In fact I'm actually a Wiccan priestess just like you.
In fact, I AM you, just posting under a different name when you forget to take your meds and your MPD starts acting up.
Oh shoot - now my secret's out! I'm really a fat tattooed freak from the hills of West Virginny, who mixes potions and plots against her neighbors in between drunken binges.
I wish you two would just kiss and make up. It really does get old.
QUOTE (cfulmor @ May 25 2006, 02:29 PM)
I wish you two would just kiss and make up. It really does get old.
Not just us two, but all of the anti-Christian zealots here. Yoss, Heather, PHISH, phluux, even teh make-believer mstubble. I can't post a single conservative Chrstian viewpoint on here without the whole bunch ganging up on me. I guess that tells me I'm very effective and shows that they view me as a true threat - that they should spend so much effort attacking me. So I guess I should really be encouraged rather than discouraged. But it's really getting tiresome.
psst: cfulmor
They are really brother and sister. But don`t tell anyone.
They are really brother and sister. But don`t tell anyone.
QUOTE (BMIC @ May 25 2006, 03:01 PM)
Not just us two, but all of the anti-Christian zealots here. Yoss, Heather, PHISH, phluux, even teh make-believer mstubble. I can't post a single conservative Chrstian viewpoint on here without the whole bunch ganging up on me. I guess that tells me I'm very effective and shows that they view me as a true threat - that they should spend so much effort attacking me. So I guess I should really be encouraged rather than discouraged. But it's really getting tiresome.
Hey! I haven't responded to your ignorant, crazy ramblings in a long time. I usually ignore them because since I've started posting on this board, I've discovered that you're not worth it. You don't debate things anyway, you spout off your nonsense as fact, and when someone calls you on it, you say it's not worth your time to respond.
No one here is anti-christian, you're the only one who feels that way because you are a zealot. So go on with your hate-filled, cry baby ways (boo hoo, why is everyone always picking on me?).
But I refuse to be a part of your self pity party. Go cry to someone who cares, but leave me out of it. Oh, and you're about effective as a placebo, but you really shouldn't give yourself that much credit. Most people on this board take your ramblings with a grain of salt.
See - what did I tell you?
Thank you PHISH for considering me and my opinions worthy of such a prolonged and vicious assault. Thanks to your efforts, and demonstrated interest, I will DEFINITELY keep up the good work!
Thank you PHISH for considering me and my opinions worthy of such a prolonged and vicious assault. Thanks to your efforts, and demonstrated interest, I will DEFINITELY keep up the good work!
QUOTE (BMIC @ May 25 2006, 03:38 PM)
See - what did I tell you?
Thank you PHISH for considering me and my opinions worthy of such a prolonged and vicious assault. Thanks to your efforts, and demonstrated interest, I will DEFINITELY keep up the good work!
Thank you PHISH for considering me and my opinions worthy of such a prolonged and vicious assault. Thanks to your efforts, and demonstrated interest, I will DEFINITELY keep up the good work!
Gee...he's such a "richard".
QUOTE (jelsey @ May 26 2006, 01:54 PM)
QUOTE (BMIC @ May 25 2006, 03:38 PM)
See - what did I tell you?
Thank you PHISH for considering me and my opinions worthy of such a prolonged and vicious assault. Thanks to your efforts, and demonstrated interest, I will DEFINITELY keep up the good work!
Gee...he's such a "richard".
...and I didn't mean PHISH.
Point proven again, thank you very much. I'm a friggin' celebrity!
Back on topic - keep in mind I don't think any of this is okay - neither protesting at funerals nor risking violence by staging counter-protests at funerals nor making a big media event out of the protests. It all contributes to the politicization of the dead, and disrespects their sacrifices. IMO we don't need new laws to deal with it, since it should already be against the law to disrupt funerals. But congress does this all of the time, making new laws that were never needed to begin with just to make people feel better, because they can't do the job that isn't being done by law enforcement.
Back on topic - keep in mind I don't think any of this is okay - neither protesting at funerals nor risking violence by staging counter-protests at funerals nor making a big media event out of the protests. It all contributes to the politicization of the dead, and disrespects their sacrifices. IMO we don't need new laws to deal with it, since it should already be against the law to disrupt funerals. But congress does this all of the time, making new laws that were never needed to begin with just to make people feel better, because they can't do the job that isn't being done by law enforcement.
I agree, B. Common sense just doesn't rule in this world. So Congress comes up with some crazy law that nobody enforces anyway.
Why don't people know that funerals are for the family of the loved one and leave them in peace? What a world we live in!
Why don't people know that funerals are for the family of the loved one and leave them in peace? What a world we live in!
QUOTE (cfulmor @ Feb 21 2006, 02:57 PM)
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/02/21/funeral.m...s.ap/index.html
Unbelievable. This just turns my stomach.
Unbelievable. This just turns my stomach.
Cfulmor,
This makes me vomit ! Why would you even think of a thing like that ? Is this what your into ? What kind of Parents do you have?
Cfulmor,
Don't ever direct such obnoxious, pathectic bull$hit, and address my name before it. Once again this proves your an $ss !
STOP TROLLING ME FREAK.
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