Bill Buckley, founder of the uber-conservative National Review, concedes American defeat in Iraq:

Elsewhere, conservative mainstream media senses a potential silver lining in Butch's Mesopotamian mess...

Brilliant! It was the "secret plan" all along.

Boring. You really need to come up with something worth debating.

When somebody who bleeds olive drab as publically as you cant muster the effort to debate whether we've lost the war in Iraq then we'd have to assume its really not debatable. Of course most of America had come to that conclusion before an old Marine colonel found it necessary to stand up and said so in Congress. Noteworthy that the difference between Buckley, ever the loyal conservative, and Murtha, who was castigated as a coward, is that the one exhibits concern mainly for Butch's resultant political dilemma while the other cares deeply for the safety of the troops and the overall welfare of our military.

The NYT offers a somewhat less sanguine prospectus on Iraq's incipient civil war than Roger Aisles' noisome network:But hey, when the turmoil in the Middle East pushes oil prices over $100 your Boy Blunder collects kudos for denouncing America's oil addiction in his SOTU.

Here's a prediction for ya...Uncle Dick is gonna walk the plank after the mid-term elections during the holiday news smokescreen. The ostensible excuse announced for his departure will be health issues but the real reason is that he and his neo-fascist faction in the administration have failed his boss and this nation miserably...the recent imbroglio over unwarranted lawyer hunting being the final fatal flaw in Che's resume. The upside for the repugs is that Butch then gets to select an '08 heir apparent (?Jeb!).

It was pretty easy coming up with a new sig after reading this thread. Thanks for the inspiration, WVD.

Always looking for the easy way, huh Snoopy.

Me, I like the three syllable word.

ID-I-OT

Seems to have hit the nail on the head. Rant on, oh great one of the lunatics.

Hey,

Where is WVD's post?? I was gonna compliment her on how well she listens to Yoss.....

Oh wait, that was in another thread! I gotta pay more attention.

re: Uncle Dick's "retirement"...

Reuters, with some audacious photo cropping, is hinting at it too

Snoopy couldn't care less about what Reuters says. His favorite source for information is The Moonie Times.

It looks like the British knew 3 years ago that it wasn't working.

Too little...



...and way too late.

this irag thing, its just so sad, all the people thats killed in this war , so bush can play , i hate him.

Bush isn't playing anything, He has my and millions of other Americans' total support for the continuing action in Iraq. We want him to stay the course and finish the job, no matter what his sore loser detractors have to say about it.

Dear Mr President, and to all of our brave soldiers fighting in Iraq: we know what you're fighting for, we believe that it's ABSOLUTELY worth it, and we are 100% behind you!!

I agree, well said B.

Back in the summer of '03 you were all for an immediate withdrawal Big. Passing bout of temporary insanity?

Nope, and you can't be serious. Well I guess you can, but I find it hard to believe. I still want us to immediately withdraw as soon as the time is right. I may fantasize about leaving them all to their own devices, but in reality I can't force myself to be so stupid.

We're already involved and heavily invested in Iraq's future. We need to do what's necessary to assure the best possible outcome before withdrawing, and I still basically trust our current leaders to make the best decisions as to what's necessary and when the right tome to leave will be, because they know an awful lot more about it than any of us ever will - particularly because all that most of us are getting is heavily-biased propaganda from a biased "news" media. What it comes down to is how much you trust the nation's top military leadership and the POTUS. In spite of a number of disagreements I've had with Bush lately, I still trust him and his advisors when it comes to Iraq. You and a few others obviously don't.

Let me interpret BMIC's post for you in a NUTshell...."Heil, Bush!! Heil, Bush!!"

...and without too much editing you'd have my reply to you, if I cared enough about your small-minded opnion to reply.