I've not had a lot of time to catch up on all the stuff going on (too much work, school, life to watch the news), but from what I have seen and read, I think this protest crap is ridiculous. If I was a legal immigrant, I would want everyone to have to go through all the paperwork and channels that I had to go through to get here. (Kinda like working for my degree when someone else orders one through a diploma mill online). Why don't they see it that way? I just don't get it. I know B posted similar sentiments in another thread, but what say the rest of ye? Any insight into why the legals are standing up for these chumps? What kind of economic impacts do you forsee from protesting and/or actually sending the suckers back home?

Write it on the calendar folks - this is one issue I actually agree with The Shrub on an issue!

I can't believe that people are actually paying attention to illegal immigrants protesting about our policies. The cops should be routing their protests right into the back of a tractor trailer that takes them back to Mexico!

When Hubby works, they go to Sterling and pick up a No-English-Speaking laborer (usually named Jose) who doesn't understand English, and they have to show him how to mix the mortar. Then, while they're a couple stories in the air on scaffolding, the INS shows up, the laborer runs away, and they're screwed.

In that respect, The Shrub is right - there are some jobs that Americans won't do, and anything that involves physical labor is low on the list of what Americans will do. Willingness to do physical labor is what made this country great, and the current unwillingness to do physical labor is what will be our downfall, IMO.

Any mason worth his salt doesn't work for home-builders because the builder won't pay them on time. So the builder hires Jose. Jose has never laid a brick or block in his life, but he's willing to try, and he costs the builder less. But the builder doesn't give the buyer a discount because Jose laid the bricks, no that's extra profit for the builder, and the buyer gets a substandard product for a highly inflated price.

I saw on the news last night where that organizer guy was saying that the US doesn't issue enough Visas. Well, I wonder why - we should be able to limit how many drains on the resources we are subjected to each year!

Ship 'em all back home, I say!

x2

If we cannot control our borders we are stupid. If we need more foreign labor, let's get more LEGAL foreign labor. Illegals should get NO free schooling, medicine, Welfare, food stamps, etc. and Mexico should have millions in THEIR streets protesting the corruption that prevents them from being more like us.

I watched on the News that if a immigrant is pulled over the Police can not do anything if they don't have a green card. I think they said one million get across the border a year. This is bull, not only do they get free Schooling, and so on they are taking over look at the nail salons all foreigners, White Tail owned by foreigners, alot of Resturant's foreigners, as i said they are taking over, and we the people sit back and let it happen, i will say this to the day i die " WE ARE THE GOVERNMENT " with out us the PEOPLE, there would be NO GOVERNMENT ! I myself refuess to go to the nail salons, or all the above i feel if i do i'm helping them out more, i don't want them here, i feel they all should be made to get out of our Country, not only do they get thing's handed to them, they also bring illnesses to our Country that we would never have to deal with. I stand up for what i believe in, and this is one issue that really makes me angry. This is one area where i feel our Country is weak also!! Look at 911 that day would have never happened if our Country would STOP letting immigrants come over in our Country, but once again we complain, we don't want it, but we do nothing about it ! I have wrote letters after letters they was ignored, i can only do one thing as i said i stay away, i refuess to hand money to them. Call me what you want, when it comes to this issue i'm very racist !

So are you racist against ALL foreigners, even though they may be here legally? Or just the illegal aliens?

I'm really sorry to say, but yes all. It's just how i feel, and i will not lie about it.....

So....Idiot...what is your idea for dealing with this immigration issue -- as someone with personal experience with the illegals?

It'll be the mother of all amnesties. ~75% or better of in-country sweatbacks will stay. The crux of the prob is managing the human traffic in the future, prolly with incentives for our Latin neighbors to keep the stampede in check. The intended barrier plan alone isnt a comprehensive solution. Difficult but not impossible to forsee a win-win outcome in an election year but now that the issue is on the front burner its gonna get dealt with, for better or worse.

My only problem with the proposals to give amnesty is that it's been done before, and each time was SUPPOSED to have been the last. I just dont believe in that approach anymore. We need to close the borders and just start shipping the criminals home. I gave in the last time and said okay to amnesty, and when I said THAT was the last time -we were promised that it would be - I meant it!

There has got to be an end to it, and IMO the end came and went years ago. I'm not willing to let the cycle of repeated amnesties followed by inadequate enforcement to continue. At some point the rule of law has got to be invoked.

As for Americans not being willing to do the same jobs, I once again call B.S. - for example, coal mining is far and away the hardest and most dangerous work in the entire nation, and yet you don't see many illegals mining coal.

What kind of illnesses?

The very first thing that needs to be done is to CONTROL THE BORDER. If they don't stop them from coming here it will be an endless problem.

TB, for one. Though I wouldn't say that we would NEVER have to deal with it - it's just that they bring a lot of it in.

Unbelievable - sounds like you might want to change your name to "Uneducated". Maybe your letters were not answered because your written language skills suck.

Some, if not most, of those "foreigners" have some degree of dual language skills (probably Spanish AND English), and you can't even write your brith language with any degree of proficiency.

I'd rather have an educated immigrant handling my affairs than a ignorant native any day.

Maybe you should sign up for an "English as a FIRST language" class.

BTW - I'm guessing that you're 100% Native American, if not...that makes YOU one of those "foreigners"!

JMHO.

Maybe we can try to explore this a bit more. I've repeated what I've heard, that accordig to at least some studies there ar no single occupations in the U.S that are staffed more than 50% by illegal aliens. As I've said before, there aren't really any jobs that at least some Americans won't do. However, the highest rate of illegal labor apparently is in agriculture, with migrant laborers being forty-some percent illegals.

What I have heard said about that is that the presence of an abundant supply of illegals and others willing to do the work has stifled progress in mechanical harvesting methods or at least kept us from using them as much as we could. It has been said that if all of the illegals were shipped off, we could very easily replace most if not all of them by making very minor improvements in agricutural mechanization, or perhaps even by just using that which is already available. The associated cost/economic impact has been hypothesized as being very slight, basically negligible.

We have a fairly significant agricultural community locally. I wonder if anyone would care to comment on the above?

I do not recall anyone addressing the area of those who hire the illegals. They are like drug users -- creating a demand. I say either enforce current laws if they are hefty enough or pass new laws to SERIOUSLY hit in the wallet anyone hiring an illegal. If it is not worth the risk many will seek legal means to hire workers. If my tomatoes go up in price a bit, so be it.

In my previous career we hired alot of hispanic workers. The provided "proper" ID and we sent them to work. We made copies of SS card and drivers license. Every so often we would get a letter from the IRS saying the names and SS numbers of certain individuals did not match and to provide updated info. We would notify the individuals and some would never come back others would come back in a week or so with a very legitimate looking SS card with their name and a new #. It wasn't until this point that we could "prove" anything. We usually did not bring them back.

Supposedly there is a telephone number you can call to anonymously check SS number to names. We never tried it. One problem I noticed is that there are several different styles of SS card. Mine is different from my wife's and my kids. There needs to be some standard ID card and a easy, can be verified quickly.

No but that's only because I don't know anyone who's unemployed. I suspect many of those who have been without jobs for any significant length of time would gladly take some of the jobs done by illegals. I don't know any personally, but I have heard there are folks in the construction industry and as I recall particularly, carpenters, who feel they've been displaced by illegals.

Here's my 2 cents. I have no issue with people who come to the United States legally and try to make a better life for themselves and their family. However, illegal aliens should not be allowed in this country, and if they can get in so easily, why couldn't the terrorists? Doesn't this say something about how well we, as a country, are protecting our borders? Additionally, I have a real problem with illegal aliens coming here, then driving, causing car accidents, and then don't have car insurance since they're here illegally in the first place. This happens all the time, and it's not fair to the drivers who are responsible enough to drive legally with insurance.

By the way, Jelsey has a point - unless you're Native American, your family were immigrants, so those in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

I just checked and it's now listed under the "Top Stories" on CNN's Homepage.

Send 'em back. I think we should go to the rallies, and walk them home..as in Mexico. ...

The amnesty--we did that in '86 when I was in Tx and you should have seen the deluge just before it went into effect. Since then, the new ones that have come in expect another amnesty.

Yes, they do take jobs..that others want...the masons have just about been displaced in the south, so when I was watching a rock home being put up, I was fascinated that they could not break the rocks to fit each other ...finally they had a real mason show up--how could I tell: he had tools and went right to work and fit the stones together in 3 days a 2 story 3000 sq ft home was finished...the others just brought him the rocks..

They also bring in disease--leprosy, TB, pnuemonia which is resistant and other things the US had about eliminated...

Idiot--
Yup, just like you do with a 2yr old...keep repeating the "no" and moving the 2yr old away from the stove until they 'get it'...no touch the stove.

No come into our country----NOT YOUR COUNTRY--MExico is your country. Remember we won the Spanish-American War...

After all, they treat illegal aliens in their country like dirt--they 'accidentally' kill some of them, throw them in jail or just deport them...they have no amnesty programs...

Leprosy does conjure up some frightening images.

However, you undercut your own argument when you include leprosy, hardly in the same league with TB or pnuemonia.

India produces 73 percent of new leprosy cases.

Of the top 10 countries with leprosy most are in Africa and Asia. Of those top ten, only one is in the Americas - Brazil. Just so you know, the primary language in Brazil is Portuguese not Spanish.

I support enforcing the immigration laws but not based on the threat of leprosy.

Same for pneumonia; the top countries are Africa and Asia. North America has the one of the lowest. Pneumonia is prevalent in the very young and the elderly and is also caused by aspiration of food and/or water, so it is common in nursing homes. I just can not believe that the incident of pneumonia is high just because of immigrants. Since we don't exactly know how many illegal immigrants are in the US, who they are, or where they are, we're just assuming that these illness are caused by them. Unless you put a big bubble around the US, you can not keep out diseases; people do travel for work and pleasure. I’d be more willing to bet that the incidents of pneumonia is still high in this day and age on the fact the most people don’t take the time to get well when sick, go out in public/work and spread the illness, don’t get immunized, the large elderly population in nursing homes (aspiration pneumonia) or wait too long for treatment.

I saw a documentary not too long ago that the resurgence of diseases in the US that were once wiped out like mumps, measles, polio, etc. are the result of the Amish since they do not immunize and the growing trend of others who choose not to immunize due to the theory that they cause Autism.

From the Chicago Tribune about IFCO arrests --

"The 26 people arrested at a Southwest Side IFCO site were released on their own recognizance Thursday from a federal immigration processing facility in Broadview, ICE spokeswoman Gail Montenegro said."


Doesn't sound like much of a deportation. Of course, they were arrested on the Southwest Side of Chicago and taken to Broadview. Deported from the city to the suburbs.

why then do they spend tax dollars to round them up? if there going to turn them loss.

The idea is to prosecute the employers so the illegals eventually choose to leave at their own expense. It;s the latest strategy and cheaper than paying to deport them ourselves. Supposedly aggressive enforcement of laws against employing illegals has worked wonders in a number of cases.

It's called attrition through enforcement. See here: http://www.cis.org/articles/2006/back406.html

It took the feds over a year to investigate IFCO. One company a year, yep that will move them out.

As for the illegals displaced at a plant like IFCO, some have been here for years, own a home and married to a spouse who is here legally. Will someone with those kind of roots just get disgusted and leave, I doubt it.

The plan needs to encompass employers, workers, borders, etc. for any plan to succeed.

IFCO is a pallet recycler owned by a foreign company. Pallet recycling isn't a business that affects most Americans. And a foreign corporate owner makes it seem as if it isn't American business that's at fault. Probably just a coincidence.

"In fact, the government is counting on continued cash from a Mexican-born U.S. population it predicts will rise from 11 million to between 17.9 million and 20.4 million by 2030.

"There have been amnesties and reforms before, and they will continue to occur periodically," said Jesus Cervantes, director of statistics for Mexico's Central Bank.

President Vicente Fox is one of many Mexican who considers the migrants "heroes," because they send money to their impoverished home villages, and in some cases risk death walking into America in pitiless desert sun."

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060423/ap_on_..._on_immigration

Isn't that nice.

Perhaps we should just invade Mexico and lay claim to their resources.

Again?

Mexico 1836

inc. CA, AZ, NM, TX, NV, UT, most of CO and a smidge of OK

You didn't fool me. You obviously DIDN'T read the CIS article. They very clearly pointed out that the strategy has to be combined with border security measures. CIS is not as half-baked as you are trying to make them out to be.

Nice try, but try reading what you're dismissing first.



No but we should put an immediate halt to all money transfers out of the country by illegals. Requiring very strict I.D. checks for all international wire transfers would be a start.

Once is not enough.

So then you either truly are an idiot or you're an a**, or both.

I say both.

[b] All illegal immigrants, need to go back were they come from.

Some say their not breaking the laws. Well they are, When their climbing fences and hiding.
When they don't go though the proper channels to become a U. S. citizen.

Plus they steal other people Social Security Numbers, they get drivers license on the black market,
There getting Free Money from the Government.

There are over 240,000 illegal immigrants in Maryland alone.

hmmm...upon further reflection, that might just actually be a possible plan you have there. Invade Mexico (again), seize all its resources (inc. population), and presto chango -- no more illegal immigration prob cuz its now our 51st state.

Impressive

Way to go! As long as they do not become like Puerto Rico...free to live on the USA. We can still make them work & pay taxes & get 'em cheap.

Or we can build the wall like in Israel....cheap too!

Both solutions are economical!!!

You betcha! And remember they just found a mother lode in the gulf---which Vicente Fox was bragging about--and which they will not let the TX oilmen go after...we have not been able to set up new rigs for years in the gulf--thanks to the enviromental whackos!

I bet Bush is already making plans.