Anyone know of any smoke free bars or clubs in town? Now I not jumping on smokers, just thought it might be profitable, a lot of people like myself don't like coming back home and smelling like an ash tray. It may actually be a profittable idea.

Ruby Tuesday's has a bar and they don't allow smoking.

It sucks. I want the freedom to pollute you all!











Just kidding.

Oh, but come on, that's not good enough. The non-smoking crowd cries about that too. That nasty smoke floats over and pollute the "clean" air.

If you find any please let me know. The smoke lingers in my car for days even when I keep the window down. Forget about my clothes they have to be washed immediatley or my whole place smells of smoke.

You can't smoke at the bar there either, cful. I know because I lit one there once and was confused when they told me I couldn't smoke.

I 'd like know too. I had to take a shower and wash my clothes after the meet and greet. twas nasty,but hey,theres smoke in a bar so....

OK ALL YOU FADDISTS ,

you dont allow smoking in your house or car but you burn wood in your fireplace .

you can sit at a bar and get bombed out of your mind but you cant smoke ,,,,,,,,, then you drive home drunk ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

has anyone ever been charged with driving under the influence of tobacco .

you bitch and complain when you have to take your car in for emmissions testing .

i find overloaded perfume offensive , what are they covering up ??

show some proof ( not a poll ) that second hand smoke kills people .

do you complain about the poor coal miners with black lung .

do you have your home heating plant cleaned and serviced every year ???

NO MATTER WHERE YOU ARE IN THIS COUNTRY YOU DONT BREATH CLEAN AIR !!!

STOP BITCHING AND HANGING OUT IN BAR ROOMS AND START DIPPING SNUFF .........

Whats wrong with getting together with friends at a bar? Just cause people go there doesn't mean they get drunk. I am a member of the Moose and used to go regularly with friends. If I drove I drank very little if any but since their filtering system either isn't used or don't work right anymore I quit going. They are fun places to go and meet up with friends and eat, talk, watch sports, darts, gamble or shoot pool.

Wrangler3,,,

i can find fault with nothing you say but i could go on endlessly about the dangers in using alcohol , but i wont ..

TO THE NON SMOKING COMPLAINERS WHO WANT TO TAKE AWAY THE RIGHTS OF SMOKERS BECAUSE YOU DONT LIKE IT ...

if the state of maryland would ban the sale of cigareetes , do you know how much revenue would be lost by not getting the tax money from their sale ?????

it would be enough that your state taxes would increase considerably .

the water we drink , the air we breath , the sewage plant spillage , coal smoke , auto emmissions and many other sourses of polutants cause more health hazards than smokers ..

so if you want to live more healthy raise hell with the department of the envirnment to clean up our envirnment instead of letting the big money people continue to poison the country .

if you were to walk behind a county commuter bus that is running you will inhale more toxins than if someone would blow smoke right in your face .

do you honestly believe that tobacco smoke is depleting the ozone layer or causing global warming ???

if you do the government has succeeded in brain washing you .

next to cocaine alcohol is the most dangerous drug used in the country !!!! why has not the public and the government tried to ban it ????????? it causes more deaths , injuries , heartaches and violance than any other substance including tobacco ........ they wont ban it because it is their drug of choice and wont give it up .

yes , smokers might harm themselves the same as drinkers , but that is their priveledge .... would you rather be around a person who has had 10 drinks or one who has had 10 cigareetes ????

which one would you want to drive you home ????

Secondhand smoke, also know as environmental tobacco smoke, is a mixture of the smoke given off by the burning end of a cigarette, pipe or cigar and the smoke exhaled from the lungs of smokers. It is involuntarily inhaled by nonsmokers, lingers in the air hours after cigarettes have been extinguished and can cause or exacerbate a wide range of adverse health effects, including cancer, respiratory infections, and asthma.

Secondhand smoke has been classified by the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) as a known cause of cancer in humans (Group A carcinogen).

Secondhand smoke causes approximately 3,000 lung cancer deaths and 35,000-62,000 heart disease deaths in adult nonsmokers in the United States each year.

A study found that nonsmokers exposed to environmental smoke were 25 percent more likely to have coronary heart diseases compared to nonsmokers not exposed to smoke.

Nonsmokers exposed to secondhand smoke at work are at increased risk for adverse health effects. Levels of ETS in restaurants and bars were found to be 2 to 5 times higher than in residences with smokers and 2 to 6 times higher than in office workplaces.

Secondhand smoke is especially harmful to young children. Secondhand smoke is responsible for between 150,000 and 300,000 lower respiratory tract infections in infants and children under 18 months of age, resulting in between 7,500 and 15,000 hospitalizations each year, and causes 1,900 to 2,700 sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS) deaths in the United States annually.

Secondhand smoke exposure may cause buildup of fluid in the middle ear, resulting in 700,000 to 1.6 million physician office visits per year. Secondhand smoke can also aggravate symptoms in 400,000 to 1,000,000 children with asthma.

In the United States, 21 million, or 35 percent of, children live in homes where residents or visitors smoke in the home on a regular basis. Approximately 50-75 percent of children in the United States have detectable levels of cotinine, the breakdown product of nicotine in the blood.

New research indicates that secret research conducted by cigarette company Philip Morris in the 1980s showed that secondhand smoke was highly toxic, yet the company suppressed the finding during the next two decades.

Sources:

1. California Environmental Protection Agency. Health Effects of Exposure to Environmental Tobacco Smoke. September 1997.
2. U.S. Environmental Protection Agency. Respiratory Health Effects of Passive Smoking: Lung Cancer and Other Disorders. December 1992.
3. California Environmental Protection Agency. Health Effects of Exposure to Environmental Tobacco Smoke. September 1997.
4. He, J.; Vupputuri, S.; Allen, K.; et al. Passive Smoking and the Risk of Coronary Heart Disease-A Meta-Analysis of Epidemiologic Studies. New England Journal of Medicine 1999; 340: 920-6.
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6. Shopland, D. Smoke-Free Workplace Coverage. Journal of Occupational and Environmental Medicine. 2001; 43(8): 680-686.
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10. Ibid.
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13. Diethelm PA, Rielle JC, McKee M. The Whole Truth and Nothing but the Truth? The Research Philip Morris Did Not Want You to See. Lancet. Vol. 364 No. 9446, 2004

I know alot of elderly people that smoke. Their still living in their 60's , 70's & 80's. I say, each to their own.
If someone want's to smoke, go ahead. If you don't, them don't smoke.
If someone, what's to drink, then drink. If you don't, then don't drink.

How is anyone able to tell someone, they can't smoke or drink.

How about, if someone comes up to you. And tells you stop wearing the perfume, it giving me a headache. IT STINKS.

How about, if someone tells you, You can't have them so call healthy frozen dinners, because they have to much sodium in them. Alot of salt is bad for you. Causes high blood pressure.

How about, if someone tells you, You can't have that bottle of wine. Because, It's bad for you.

How about, if someone tells you, You can't have your diet soda. Because, It's bad for you.

How about, if the Government tells you, You have to get a different kind of muffler system, Because a new Clean Air bill just been pass. And it's going to cost you hundreds of dollars.

What I'm getting at is. What we do in our life, is all about Choices we have make, for our selves.
Whether they be the right or wrong choice, That's up to us to decide for ourselves.
As citizens of the United States, We have the Right to Choose.

If someone wants to go into a bar. Knowing darn well, they aloud smokers. Then that's on you.
You choose to go into the Bar, knowing darn well, it's not a Smoke Free Environment. That's Your Freedom of Choice!

Someone can always open a Smoke Free Bar. Nothing stopping you.
Then you can have the Freedom to choose, To go to a smoke free bar.
Everyone else can have the Freedom to choose , Not to go into a smoke free bar.
Then everyone will be happy.

sweetliberty2u,

I HAVE SOMETHING TO TELL YOU YOUNG LADY !!!!!

I LOVE YOU !!!! WOULD YOU COSIDER MARRIAGE

I PROMISE TO SPIT OUT MY SNUFF BEFORE WE KISS AT THE WEDDING ....

Places I know with smoke-free bars:

Roccoco (I think) in Hagerstown

Stone Soup Bistro in Shepherdstown

Al Pomodoro in Hagerstown allows smoking at the bar, but I would consider it very mild. Very few smokers usually, if any at all.

Thanks peaceftog for actually responding to the question.

Sometimes we digress and it takes a little while to get on topic around here

Sometimes?

Rowdy you have a right to smoke in your own private hermetically-sealed enclosure somewhere, but I swear if you blow your smoke in MY face I'll punch your friggin' lights out!

You can CHOOSE to do what you want on your own, but don't infringe on my rights to be free of your pollution.

Although, in general, I agree with this statement...

I also agree with Rowdy's rant to a certain extent.

Sure... "your" cigarette smoke infringes on my right to be free of your pollution.

But diesel trucks infringe on my right to be free of harmful particles in the air (pollution).

My neighbor who burns plastic, furniture, etc. in his burn barrel infringes on my right to be free of harmful toxins in my air (pollution).

For that matter, woodstoves, fireplaces, furnaces and incenerators are also common causes of pollution. As are crop dusting, fumes from paint/varnish/etc., methane gases from landfills and methane gases from farms.

So my question would be: Why is it ok for someone to get their panties in a bunch when a smoker stands by the front door of a building and smokes, but it's not ok for me to get upset when a diesel trucks revs its engine in front of me during a traffic jam? Why can't I get upset when my neighbor decides to burn plastic the day the wind is blowing in my direction?

MODERATORS :::

i have been treatened with a TERRORIST THREAT of bodily harm for simply stating my opinion on this open forum .

this conduct is without doubt not needed so therefore i INSIST AND DEMAND that this hit man terrorist be banned for life from this forum .

anyone whose solution to a disagreement is to inflict injury on another person in no way can be trusted to be rational and is capable of murder .

i have concern for my health and safety as well as that of my family and i am strongly leaning toward sending this threat to the police department for remedial action ...

i view this type of person to be dangerous and should be taken out of the community .

Hell I wanna watch B do that. LOL I would probably do the same thing if someone walked up to me and did it.

ROWDY,
Some days you get the elevator other days you get the shaft.
JUST call me i`ll takecare of the light work for ya.

If you see a smoker stay out of the way of the smoke.
You wouldn`t walk in an open ditch would you?

Dear God,
Please take BMIC off your ignore list and find him some help ASAP.

Because second-hand smoke causes cancer! No one, at least I didn't, say you can't get upset when a diesel trucks revs its engine or your neighbor decides to burn plastic.

Diesels are not the loud, smoky and smelly engines they once were. They've cleaned up there act and emit less carbon monoxide and carbon dioxide. They can still emit some sooty particles and that's why these particular diesel vehicles (Volkswagen and Jeep) can not be sold in the states that have adopted stricter emissions rules than Federal standards (5 states).

As far as someone burning plastics, it is most likely prohibited by your state and local burning laws. So you should call the police and report them if they are breaking the law.



Woodstoves, pellet stove, furnaces, etc. are regulated by the EPA. All wood stoves must comply with the EPA particulate emissions guidelines in the Clean Air Act. EPA-certified wood stoves are cleaner and more efficient than a wood stove manufactured before 1988. As part of the certification process, each wood stove model line is required to undergo emissions testing in accordance with EPA Reference Method 28 and sampling methods 5G or 5H by an EPA-accredited laboratory. Only after successfully passing these tests can a wood stove be offered for sale in the United States. Because pellet stoves are so efficient, they are exempt for certification.

So does diesel. In fact, there are pockets of the U.S.--particularly near docks where there's a lot of emissions from boats and ships--where lots of kids are getting sick because of diesel particles.

See here: http://www.catf.us/about_us/



True. But my point was more along the lines that everyone gets up in arms about cigarette smoke, and it's ok for them to do it, but rarely does anyone start complaining about diesel smoke.

And, with regards to woodstoves and fireplaces... Sure... the EPA regulates it. But are you really going to rely on the government to determine what's considered a healthy level of pollution in the air? And even if it IS EPA regulated, that doesn't mean I want to breathe it.

I don't care if people get their panties in a bunch about cigarette smoke, as long as they take the same stand when it comes to other pollutants. IMHO, it's an all or nothing thing. If you care about cigaratte smoke because it's a cancer-causing pollutant, then you should be complaining just as loudly and strongly about all the other cancer-causing pollutants we're spewing into the environment.

Diesel exhaust has been suspected to be a lung carcinogen, it is not proven as has second hand smoke; doesn't mean its not a problem though. And as I've pointed out in my other post, they're cleaning up their act. With the new technology (starting to be used later this year), diesels are going to be a greener alternative fuel.

Probably because a diesel truck doesn't walk up to you a blow its smoke in your face like a good many of smokers do. You bring up good points but we're specifically talking about smoking in bars.



There is nothing in wood that causes cancer.

. (Second-hand science:
By Steven J. Milloy
Copyright 2000 National Post
March 25, 2000 )


There has not been any definitive cause & effect on 2nd hand smoke. Most people make the incorrect assumption of correlation meaning causality. Such as seeing some poor people who are overweight. Therefore, all poor people are overweight, therefore, being more makes you overweight...This is flawed logic.

If there was a direct causality, we would all have died of lung cancer years ago--heck, the population would have died out in the 1600's...life was full of smoke back then....without filters...

GOOD MORNING ,

i have read all the posts on this subject and everyone has good and bad points .

but the very fact that myself on someone else might disagree with someone is no reason why they should treaten violence over a difference of opinion .

anyone who does so must be permanatly removed ,,,,,,,,, their atitudes make them far more dangerous than any ammout of smoke breathing ...

when is the last ime any of you have had someone walk up to you and blow smoke in your face , i guess never so please be realalistic in your annalegys .

MODERATORS ::::: PLEASE PULL THE PLUG ON ON THAT TERRORIST BMIC

with respect i suggest that you check out the dangers of burning wood indoors , i think you will be suprised .

I am a smoker, and know a lot of smokers as well, none of which I've ever witnessed walk up to someone and blow smoke in their face. I think most smokers are respectful of non-smokers, which I can't say for the other way around.

Amen Phluux.

Yes... I'm inclined to agree that most smokers don't walk up and blow smoke in your face. Moreover, plenty of diesel engines start revving when I'm walking down the sidewalk beside them. IMHO, that's the same.

And I strongly believe that diesel, wood burning, coal burning, etc. are just as harmful. It's not just the chemicals, it's also the actual smoke and particles that are harmful. The product doesn't matter--it's the act of creating smoke. Would you have the same problem with a smoker if they were smoking all-natural, made-from-wood cigarettes in the bar?

Diesel may be "cleaning up their act," but that doesn't mean it's clean. At least, not anymore than an ultra-light cigarette is really better than a Lucky Strike.

And if you don't think wood burning releases carginogens, you may want to read this:

http://www.pscleanair.org/burning/indoor/index.shtml#more

and this

http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation/2005-1...pollution_x.htm

and this

http://www.philippinenews.com/news/view_ar...812dfad064c2823

Here's a paragraph from the USA Today article:

"Scientists have long known that wood smoke contains carbon monoxide and cancer-causing chemicals. But research shows that wood smoke's major ingredient — tiny particles of soot and liquid pollution — worsens heart disease and triggers asthma attacks."

Like I said... I don't care if anyone is anti-smoking. I just think, as a matter of consistency, they should be anti-diesel, anti-wood burning, etc.

I have never thought much about the issue of second-hand smoke, diesel smoke and pollution etc. but I am sure there are ways to lobby for laws to change, if it seriously bothers anyone.

Just off hand, without any idea of what I am talking about , I do know that Colorado has state laws that do not allow people to even have wood burning fireplaces.

Just my small tidbit of information.

I think you've confused Phish for Phluux again, Cful.

D'OH!

That's twice.

I hope there is no 3 strikes rule here.

X3!

Do it again and my posse of smokers and I will hunt you down and blow smoke in your face.

this is a very intresting subject and i would like to contribute but i gotta go now cause i just have to have a cigar before i have a fit , scuse me ...........

Terrorist threat? What a freakin' crybaby. I repeat: keep your smoke to yourself and I could care less, but assault me with it and I will retaliate. That's not a threat it's a promise.

I'm not anti-smoking. I am all for your right to smoke if you want. I just am also for everyone's right to choose whether they want to be exposed to it or not. I am grateful that there are places where smoking is prohibited and I choose to patronize them. Nobody is saying any of you smokers have to. Why do you feel so threatened by the very existing of smoke-free bars and restaurants? Live and let live- and leave us non-smokers alone or you will be sorry - I promise!

What's Rowdy's problem that sombody can't ask for the location of local smoke-free bars without him personally attacking them and all non-smokers?

I realize that this is'nt a bar ,but bowling alleys in Hagerstown now have smoking rooms so everyone can have a good time & smoke if you choose.

Thanks BMIC, All I wanted to know was where there where some smoke free bars at, why was I so attacked. Please forgive me for I know not what I post.