JERUSALEM (CNN) -- Striking from the air, land and the sea, Israeli forces Thursday fired on Gaza in the midst of intensified operations against Palestinian militants who have been holding an Israeli soldier captive for four days, the Israel Defense Forces said.
They also went on to say that Israel did a fly-over on the syrian presidents beach home where he was staying.
This could be the beginning of the end! If Iran already had a nuke they would be warming it up right about now
Full Version: Israel pounds Gaza; militants blow open border fence
If Israel starts pounding on lebanon and syria I'd think the arab community might decide to strike back.
If that happens we will be drawn into that mess also.
If that happens we will be drawn into that mess also.
I don't think they will hit Lebannon. Syria is another story.
I must say I admire Israels tenacity. Kidnap our soldier we will crush you until he is returned.
too bad we couldn't use that tactic in Iraq
too bad we couldn't use that tactic in Iraq
QUOTE (samy0 @ Jun 29 2006, 08:28 AM) 
They also went on to say that Israel did a fly-over on the syrian presidents beach home where he was staying.
Gotta love it. Israel always has a little flair and panache when it comes to military posturing.
Israel is more patient than I think I would or could be in their shoes. They cave into most every demand and still those crazy bastards keep pushing them.
I love it. I would think that at some point the militants would quit screwing with Israel but i guess not, that would require a certain level of intelligence.
QUOTE (Snoopy @ Jun 29 2006, 12:15 PM)
Israel is more patient than I think I would or could be in their shoes.
Just food for thought. Do you think that the U.S. military would start "Striking from the air, land and the sea" if another country held a U.S. soldier captive? I guess they form search and rescue teams, but would they exert the same kind of force? In this type of situation, it seems to either end up as a "Jessica Lynch" type story, or a be-heading.
But I don't recall any situations where the U.S. was striking from the air, land and sea for a single soldier.
Looks like it's Hezbollah's turn to be stupid. Question is will Israel bomb Syria. Were's Iran I mean as tough as they seem to think they are, I would think they would be running to the aide of their Muslim Brothers. 
QUOTE (Udmas @ Jul 12 2006, 07:52 PM)
Looks like it's Hezbollah's turn to be stupid. Question is will Israel bomb Syria. Were's Iran I mean as tough as they seem to think they are, I would think they would be running to the aide of their Muslim Brothers.
I heard today that Iran says if Syria is bombed its game on! This is turning very ugly very quickly
QUOTE (Idiot @ Jul 14 2006, 01:44 PM)
QUOTE (Udmas @ Jul 12 2006, 07:52 PM)
Were's Iran I mean as tough as they seem to think they are, I would think they would be running to the aide of their Muslim Brothers.
I'll bet the Israelis and a few other neo-cons think the same thing. Maybe Iran realizes that that's the whole point of this exercise.
I seem to recall hearing someone say that since the country wouldn't let Bush start another war he would get the Israelis to do it for him. But that was just a conspiracy theory.
QUOTE (PHISH @ Jun 29 2006, 08:42 PM)
But I don't recall any situations where the U.S. was striking from the air, land and sea for a single soldier.
Ah, if it was only so easy to start a war. Then we wouldn't have to make up stuff. And this one could have been started when the Israelis captured and imprisoned the Palestinian "militants", as this thread title refers to them as.
This may be the first war in history in which one side has soldiers and the other side has militants.
So let me get this right. They have been fighting for years and years but your saying that Bush told Israel to start a war with lebanon for the sole purpose of dragging Iran into the conflict? Simons is that you?
I'm tired of all this talk of tension in the middle east. It's time for them to duke it out and get it over with. Or better yet, let's just solve the problem in one day. Seriously. Blow them the fvck up.
Don't be too hasty, my truck won't run on air.
QUOTE (cfulmor @ Jun 29 2006, 12:02 PM)
I don't think they will hit Lebannon. Syria is another story.
Damn did I say that? Just a bit off mark on that one wasn't I.
Ack! I'm quoted in an Idiot conspiracy theory!
QUOTE (Idiot @ Jul 14 2006, 07:29 PM)
The president made the following statement:
"No hostage-takings are acceptable ... but neither is the use of full-scale force in response to these, even if unlawful, actions. We will demand that all sides involved in the conflict immediately stop the bloodshed."
That sounds reasonable to me. The problem is it was Russian President Vladimir Putin who said it.
QUOTE
"No hostage-takings are acceptable ... but neither is the use of full-scale force in response to these, even if unlawful, actions. We will demand that all sides involved in the conflict immediately stop the bloodshed."
That sounds reasonable to me. The problem is it was Russian President Vladimir Putin who said it.
Sounds like BS to me, that's about as helpful as he's been with Iran and North Korea.
QUOTE (Idiot @ Jul 14 2006, 07:29 PM)
Our president on the other hand…
Flying here from Germany, Bush called the leaders of Lebanon, Egypt and Jordan to explore ways to end three days of furious fighting between Israel and Hezbollah militants in Lebanon. Turning aside complaints that Israel is using excessive force, Bush rejected a cease-fire plea from Lebanese Prime Minister Fuad Saniora.
I guess he didn’t have Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert’s number with him.
QUOTE
Flying here from Germany, Bush called the leaders of Lebanon, Egypt and Jordan to explore ways to end three days of furious fighting between Israel and Hezbollah militants in Lebanon. Turning aside complaints that Israel is using excessive force, Bush rejected a cease-fire plea from Lebanese Prime Minister Fuad Saniora.
I guess he didn’t have Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert’s number with him.
Excessive Force? How about not enough force if Fuad Saniora want's help maybe he should start by helping his Country and put a stop to Hezbollah.
It's obvious to anyone paying any atention that Hezbollah did this under orders from Iran, to divert attention from Iran's nuclear nonsense prior to the G8 meeting this weekend. Lebanon gets hit justifiably, because they refused to police their own territory and keep Hezbollah under control.
By the way, the latest news, just this morning, is that Syria has launched some kind of attacks on Israel. SO now Isreal must either ignore Syria's provocation or risk drawing Iran into it. In which case Israel will have an excuse to bomb Iran big time - maybe that wouldn't be such a bad thing after all...
By the way, the latest news, just this morning, is that Syria has launched some kind of attacks on Israel. SO now Isreal must either ignore Syria's provocation or risk drawing Iran into it. In which case Israel will have an excuse to bomb Iran big time - maybe that wouldn't be such a bad thing after all...
It just means what everybody already knows, that Iran and Syria support terrorism.
Yep 1 in college.
Ok let me get this straight we went from Israel protecting themselves to us helping them kill all their enemies.
I thought it was 1 soldier for Hamas and 2 soldiers for Hezbollah. So this dosen't have anything to with Hamas and Hezbollah firing rockets into Israel or sending suicide bombers to Israel.
Ok let me get this straight we went from Israel protecting themselves to us helping them kill all their enemies.
I thought it was 1 soldier for Hamas and 2 soldiers for Hezbollah. So this dosen't have anything to with Hamas and Hezbollah firing rockets into Israel or sending suicide bombers to Israel.
Yep, stir up a bunch of crap, then delete half of it and go fishing. Good luck hope you catch a big one. 
You seem to focus on the 2 soldiers, but I think it's more a case of enough is enough.
I will agree if each side kills each other and no Americans die that will be a good thing.
Have fun fishing, drink plenty of water it's going to be hot.
Good luck hope you catch a big one. You seem to focus on the 2 soldiers, but I think it's more a case of enough is enough.
I will agree if each side kills each other and no Americans die that will be a good thing.
Have fun fishing, drink plenty of water it's going to be hot.
Sure Idiot, we should just run off and abandon our allies. We don't need any of 'em, eh? That'll teach them, to trust the USA. Don't they know we can't be counted on? 
It's not about 2 soldiers. It's about the nation of Isreal, who is our ally. Besides us, they haven't got much of anyone else.
It's not about 2 soldiers. It's about the nation of Isreal, who is our ally. Besides us, they haven't got much of anyone else.
this could very easy turn into ww3.
Clinton says he would have died for Israel
By Khalid Hasan
WASHINGTON: Former US President Bill Clinton who many Arab thoughts was more even-handed on the Palestine question than his predecessors shocked many when he asserted in Toronto last week that had Israel been attacked by Iraq or Iran during his presidency, he would have been ready to “grab a rifle, get in a ditch and fight and die.”
“The Israelis know that if the Iraqi or the Iranian army came across the Jordan River, I would personally grab a rifle, get in a ditch, and fight and die,” Clinton told the crowd at a fund-raising event for a Toronto Jewish charity Monday.
He'd die for Israel but took a pass when it came to defending AMERICA!!!!! HOLE!
By Khalid Hasan
WASHINGTON: Former US President Bill Clinton who many Arab thoughts was more even-handed on the Palestine question than his predecessors shocked many when he asserted in Toronto last week that had Israel been attacked by Iraq or Iran during his presidency, he would have been ready to “grab a rifle, get in a ditch and fight and die.”
“The Israelis know that if the Iraqi or the Iranian army came across the Jordan River, I would personally grab a rifle, get in a ditch, and fight and die,” Clinton told the crowd at a fund-raising event for a Toronto Jewish charity Monday.
He'd die for Israel but took a pass when it came to defending AMERICA!!!!! HOLE!
We have 2 people agreeing that it is just ducky if all the people in Israel die???? 
oh no, Pops, please don't use the "r" word in here! 
QUOTE (Pops @ Jul 20 2006, 07:36 PM)
QUOTE (Snoopy @ Jul 17 2006, 12:19 PM)
We have 2 people agreeing that it is just ducky if all the people in Israel die????
That's not how I read their comments. No one would say a word if those comments were made about any country other than Israel.
No country should be above all criticism, but there seems to be one that has a built-in automatic anti-me label ready to slap on anyone who criticizes them in the slightest way. I suppose that statement makes me anti-semitic.
I respect the religious Jew, the ethnic Jew, and the racial Jew and have defended them all many times. But in this case, the political Jew is wrong and people who say so should not be cast as racists.
JMO
PS - I say this as a general statement based on things I've heard and read lately, not to imply that that's what you're doing.
webbie - I hope this bit of clarification helps. I'm not trying to start a flaming war.
Idiot said "If each side kills each other and no Americans die, I think I can live with it."
UDMAS said "I will agree if each side kills each other and no Americans die that will be a good thing."
How am I supposed to interpret that? Israel did not start the fight. Heck, I think there are even innocent Lebanese that I don't want to see dead. Do I want the terrorists and their supporters dead. Yes. But don't gimme the crap that I shouldn't condem those two posters' statements because it is being overly sensitive. I'm not even Jewish.
Sorry Pops but Snoop's undeniably right. You just revealed yourself to be quite the anti-Semite. There's just no other way to see it no matter what you try to say to the contrary.
Snoopy- you're partly right, the two sides I was referring to are Hezbollah, Hamas and the Israeli army not all the people in Israel.
These two have been fighting, are fighting and will continue to fight till the end of time, I personally don't think this is worth any American lives.
Pops- you're right no country should be above all criticism, but as far as what Israel has been doing I'm all for it, if Hamas and Hezbollah think they can get away with crap like this it will only get worse.
These two have been fighting, are fighting and will continue to fight till the end of time, I personally don't think this is worth any American lives.
Pops- you're right no country should be above all criticism, but as far as what Israel has been doing I'm all for it, if Hamas and Hezbollah think they can get away with crap like this it will only get worse.
QUOTE (Pops @ Jul 21 2006, 05:33 PM)
I'm proud to say however that I am, and I tend to view the situation from an historical perspective.
I'm proud to say that I am too... 1/4 Jewish by birth and thus from what I read somewhere I could be accepted for Israeli citizenship. But I view the situation from a religious perspective that I THOUGHT was the only TRULY historical perspective. It's Israel's land by God's declaration and anybody who denies their right to it can go suck an egg. Anyone who opposes her does so at their own peril.
You could very well be right, but in any event I still support Israel's actions. They weren't taken without provocation, no matter what underlying additional purposes may be served. If they're in Israel's best interests, I'm not really concerned. They didn't attack until they had a valid reason to do so.
I've already stated my opinion that this whole thing got started as a ploy orchestrated by Iran to take attention off of their nuclear programs preparatory to the G8 summit. Coordinated provocation from North and South - Lebanon and Gaza, timed perfectly to take the heat off of Iran at a critical point in time.
I've already stated my opinion that this whole thing got started as a ploy orchestrated by Iran to take attention off of their nuclear programs preparatory to the G8 summit. Coordinated provocation from North and South - Lebanon and Gaza, timed perfectly to take the heat off of Iran at a critical point in time.
Not much mostly local stuff.
I was starting to get a little worried, thought you might have fell in.
I was starting to get a little worried, thought you might have fell in.
Sounds like your in for an enjoyable relaxing week. Lets get you back on track here. How long until Hezbollah runs out of missles and how long before Condi tells Israel enough is enough. Keep the beer flowing and the crabs steaming
QUOTE (samy0 @ Jul 24 2006, 10:57 AM)
Sounds like your in for an enjoyable relaxing week. Lets get you back on track here. How long until Hezbollah runs out of missles and how long before Condi tells Israel enough is enough. Keep the beer flowing and the crabs steaming
When Hezbollah, Iran and Syria run out of missiles... that's when Israel needs to worry.
Either way you look at it, none of those countries have anything to lose anymore, so nothing would shock me.
Heres a way to kill 2 birds with 1 stone. why don't we just lob a missle into Iran the next time N.Korea plans one of their little demonstrations and we can say N.Korea fired on Iran and let those 2 go at it. I am sure our super smart govt. officials will be able to make it work and deny all responsibility.
My goodness Samy0 you are brilliant. That will work. If the our government, can bring down the Twin Towers and lob a missle into the Pentagon, making it look like a jumbo jet, surely we can pull this one off.
QUOTE (cfulmor @ Jul 25 2006, 07:28 AM)
My goodness Samy0 you are brilliant. That will work. If the our government, can bring down the Twin Towers and lob a missle into the Pentagon, making it look like a jumbo jet, surely we can pull this one off.
My thoughts exactly!
I don't really understand why its difficult to foresee another country (Iran, Syria, North Korea) throwing their hat in the ring and unloading a full cache of weapons. Is it that you think the weapons aren't available? I'm willing to bet that some of Europe, Asia and all of the Middle East is tired of Israel and probably wouldn't mind seeing them wiped off the map. In addition to that, countries like Russia and China may shake Bush's hand and smile for photo opps, but there's no doubt about it... they'd relish the opportunity to knock the US down a couple of pegs and become the world superpower.
Any way I look at it, if Hezbollah, or whoever is fighting the Israeli/US front over there, needs weapons (artillery, biological, chemical, etc) they'll get them from "someone".
Any way I look at it, if Hezbollah, or whoever is fighting the Israeli/US front over there, needs weapons (artillery, biological, chemical, etc) they'll get them from "someone".
QUOTE (Idiot @ Jul 24 2006, 10:20 PM)
QUOTE (samy0 @ Jul 24 2006, 10:57 AM)
Sounds like your in for an enjoyable relaxing week. Lets get you back on track here. How long until Hezbollah runs out of missles and how long before Condi tells Israel enough is enough. Keep the beer flowing and the crabs steaming
If you believe that Iran is supplying the missiles AND you also believe that Iran is such a grave threat to the most powerful country in the world, THEN you would also have to believe that it will be a long time.
Of course then it would also follow that if you believe the rhetoric coming out of Iran about vowing to kill all Israelis AND you believe that Iran has enough major weapons that we should fear them AND you believe that they are supplying Hezbollah THEN why is it that after 13 days of randomly lobbing rockets at Israel there have been fewer Israeli deaths than DC has had this month.
But you can always worry that North Korea can fire a missile 10,000 miles.
You can always worry about anything I guess.
I've been told by a very reliable source that " You will hear of wars and rumors of wars. Make sure that you are not alarmed..."
I put Iran and North Korea in the category as "rumors of wars."
The plan I saw called for the Israeli war to last 21 days.
Cheers!
Let's hope it is only rumors of wars. When it comes to nukes, there is a lot to worry about if you're the target. Even if there is just one. Some people joke about N. Korea and say they are so small, few missles, etc. but just ONE nuke, detonated in space above, say, Kansas, would cause huge disruption of electronics and the electric grid over most of the continental USA. EMP from a nuke is a real danger, and IMO one of the most underrated dangers the US faces.
They are and have been getting their weapons from the same place they got their orders: Iran. But the Iranians are not so stupid as to allow it to escalate.
In this case, the Arabs are not all in agreement. Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait all rebuked Iran recently - saying that it's Hezbollah and not Israel who started the current conflict. A pretty historic event, that the Arabs are in fact NOT all united in condemning Israel this time.
In this case, the Arabs are not all in agreement. Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Kuwait all rebuked Iran recently - saying that it's Hezbollah and not Israel who started the current conflict. A pretty historic event, that the Arabs are in fact NOT all united in condemning Israel this time.
They are still condemning Israel for excessive force. As we should be doing also. IMO
A Fox News retired-military talking head was discussing the need for troops in Lebanon and predicated the war to last 3 weeks. They're getting the word out, Idiot.
You're dealing with the same people (and types of people) that will willingly strap bombs to themselves just to blow a bus of people up. To think that they wouldn't use a WMD if they had one is naive, IMO. Even if they destroy themselves in bringing down the nations around them, they still believe that they have their utopia, virgins and whatever other life after death beliefs they have.
Let's say your neighbor gets his rifle out and takes random shots at your house every day, and let's assume that everybody in the community including law enforcement knows that your neighbor is doing this but they refuse to do anything about it, so one day you get your gun out and shoot him in the head.
Is that excessive force?
Is that excessive force?
QUOTE (Udmas @ Jul 25 2006, 06:00 PM)
Let's say your neighbor gets his rifle out and takes random shots at your house every day, and let's assume that everybody in the community including law enforcement knows that your neighbor is doing this but they refuse to do anything about it, so one day you get your gun out and shoot him in the head.
Is that excessive force?
Is that excessive force?
But before you get your gun out and shoot him in the head, you decide to take a hammer and hit everyone else in the community [who you say knew about it and who in your view did nothing], in the head - over and over again.
Yeah, that's excessive force.
They're trying to eliminate their enemy's ability to hit them again -- at least for awhile. Not excessive, IMO. Again, Israel did not start the fight.
QUOTE (Snoopy @ Jul 26 2006, 10:32 AM)
They're trying to eliminate their enemy's ability to hit them again -- at least for awhile. Not excessive, IMO. Again, Israel did not start the fight.
If 20 percent of the U.S. population was made to flee their homes folks would be crying genocide, abomination, etc. but when it happens to the population of Lebanon it's okay.
Attacking ambulances and airports and UN observers is not going to eliminate their enemy's ability to hit them again.
Oh wait, the ambulances and UN post were mistakes. I thought the Israelis had a crackerjack military force? How come all these mistakes are happening?
One of the four UN observers killed was from China who already has close ties to Iran. Yeah, that's going to help.
oh well, things happen . i think they are doing a good job.
This is serious and I hear morons around the country stating that this is the start of the "end times" and they are looking forward to it. Lets send them all to Iraq.
Israel gets regularly attacked by these hezbollah morons and finally do something about it and someone on the BB seems to think this is just about two captured soldiers? Iran has been pushing the remote control attack button through these people and Israel needs to show it is not going to work or they will just get attacked again and again.
If we were not in Iraq we would be in a position to do something about Iran. Brilliant military move GW!
Israel gets regularly attacked by these hezbollah morons and finally do something about it and someone on the BB seems to think this is just about two captured soldiers? Iran has been pushing the remote control attack button through these people and Israel needs to show it is not going to work or they will just get attacked again and again.
If we were not in Iraq we would be in a position to do something about Iran. Brilliant military move GW!
If it is the end of times, the human race deserves it. No doubt about that.
i dont know about the end of time, but know one will take over israel, they do have the right to defend them selfs, just why dont all the good countrys get togeather and go clean up hezbullah, isent that what we are supposed to do ? work togeather.
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