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sweetliberty2u
Finally after a long 10 year battle to fine the truth, Will be laid to rest.
It's unfortunate, that the mother pass, before she could see this happen.
But at least, she knew a arrest was coming soon. May Mrs. Ramsey R.I.P.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/LAW/08/16/ramsey.arrest/index.html
tagout
sounds like more then one person was in on thiis murder, a lot of things need answered, where did the guy get the tape , dna will help .
SMan
Don't forget how severely the Boulder police botched the crime scene integrity, so any DNA evidence is going to be fought tooth and nail in court.

I still think there is much more to this story than a simple confession a decade later equals case closed.
cfulmor
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Didn't care then, don't care now.

The media made way to much of this story.

Children die and are murdered everyday. The only reason the media hooked on to this one was that she was a "beauty" queen. Which I think the parents are stupid for putting the child through that.
phluux
QUOTE (cfulmor @ Aug 17 2006, 07:22 AM) *
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Didn't care then, don't care now.

The media made way to much of this story.

Children die and are murdered everyday. The only reason the media hooked on to this one was that she was a "beauty" queen. Which I think the parents are stupid for putting the child through that.

Agreed.
marco
QUOTE (cfulmor @ Aug 17 2006, 07:22 AM) *
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Didn't care then, don't care now.

The media made way to much of this story.

Children die and are murdered everyday. The only reason the media hooked on to this one was that she was a "beauty" queen. Which I think the parents are stupid for putting the child through that.


I care. Each murdered or missing child is a tragedy and an unimaginable horror for the parents. We all need to look out for all the children and that starts with being aware of what's going on.
cfulmor
Ok, point well taken.

I did not mean to come across apathetic. It is just that the media has/is making such a big deal out of one child when numerous more have been killed and are being killed daily.
phluux
I guess for the sake of the family its good that it -may- come to a conclusion, but really... she isn't any more special than any other child that doesn't receive mass media attention when they're murdered. *shrug*

I have a feeling that there's going to be a twist to all of this at some point.
cfulmor
Indeed phluux. I can see it now the poor bastard was abused and molested as a child and he is mentally incompetant to stand trial. Just like that hose-bag Yates in Texas. He'll probably get off with spending his years in some "state" mental institution. mad.gif
Unbelieveable
A disorted murder that has been let unknown for almost a decade. A precious little girl's life was taken. The Parent's was blamed, put under investigation for the death of their Daughter. The media made it so believeable that the Parents did Murder Jonbent, i for one believed it myself.

In cases like this i feel when the Police/FBI keep coming to dead ends with there investigations it's easier for them to say " Hey we aren't getting NO where, let's just blame the Parents " ( this is just my opinion ) From my understanding there was NO foot prints in the snow, there was cobwebs in Jonbent's window that was NOT dissturbed so the Police/FBI stated there was NO force of another person from the outside coming in.


Two Parents who lived a nightmare, the lost of their Child, who was slowly put too death. Had NO time to greive due to the fact they had to defend themselfs. I myself can not even imagine this. This is where I myself loose all trust/faith in the Police/FBI.

John Mark Karr a 41 year old Teacher was arrested and in custody for addmitting he didn't mean to hurt Jonbent it was an accident. The media is stessing the fact that they feel John Karr want's 15mins. of fame. They have also said that John Karr thinks he is the Sun and we are the Planets going around him. They media is releasing information as they receive it.

They arrested John Karr without matching the DNA Jonbent had under her finger nails or in her underpants.
txexpatriot
I still have a lot of questions, and it does not appear any concrete answers.
This case to me has always been about the fact that the parents were rich and prostituted(oh, excuse me--they ENTERED her into pageants because she LOVED it) their daughter--and the stupid designers loved this concept of 'child'adult wear and now we have slut tops and micro-minis designed for pre-teens to wear..
Unbelieveable
QUOTE (cfulmor @ Aug 17 2006, 11:21 AM) *
Indeed phluux. I can see it now the poor bastard was abused and molested as a child and he is mentally incompetant to stand trial. Just like that hose-bag Yates in Texas. He'll probably get off with spending his years in some "state" mental institution. mad.gif



Cfulmor and Phluux, I agree with both of you 100%
tagout
i really think every one is going to be so surprised, when this is all over.
Unbelieveable
Mary Lacy of Boulder County spoke at noon today. She went through Thanking everyone who helped out in finding Mr. Karr. She went on to say that Mr. Karr is also facing charges for Child Pron. She also said a confession isn't enough.

She took questions from reporters but only answered a few. One reporter said " Is John Rambsy now persented innocent? " Mary Lacy said " Yes, and so is Mr. Karr at this point "

Mary Lacy also was questioned " How long has this investigation been going on with Mr. Karr " she replied " Several months "

Mary Lacy also expressed that she was holding information due to the stress of the people, and the fear of his flight back too the USA.
Unbelieveable
QUOTE (cfulmor @ Aug 17 2006, 08:20 AM) *
Ok, point well taken.

I did not mean to come across apathetic. It is just that the media has/is making such a big deal out of one child when numerous more have been killed and are being killed daily.


Cfulmor,

I hear you and respect what your saying. I promise i'm not trying to argue with you at all!

I just want to express being a Parent myself i feel sensitive towards this case. If Mr.Karr is found guilty, he was a Friend of the Rambsy's family, and also a School Teacher. It instills complete FEAR within me. When my Son goes to School, Chruch, Ect. I question is he going to be safe?

My Son is almost seven now, maybe when he get's older i will feel safer, but as for now i just trust very few people around him.
phluux
My prediction:

He didn't do it.
Unbelieveable
QUOTE (phluux @ Aug 17 2006, 02:43 PM) *
My prediction:

He didn't do it.



Phluux,

The more i watch the News i feel the same. Why would someone make such a vicious statment like Mr. Karr did?

Mr. Karr said " I loved her so much, she was so beautifull " he also said " I was with her when she died " Mr. Karr was questioned " what happened to her? " Mr. Karr said " Her death was an accident "

Mr. Karr also said he druged JonBenet, and sexualy assulted her. The media said JonBenet was not druged.

A peice of wood from the Rambsey's garage was found inside JonBenet body.

The New's also stressed the fact that Mr. Karr's X wife who is very happy he isn't in her life anymore said " look he was with me that Christmas "

The New's also said Mr. Karr has been a Teacher in many different Schools, but couldn't keep them very long.

The main thing the New's is grasping at now is Mr. Karr e-mailed a College Profressor with some very dissturbing words Mr. Karr expressed to him about JonBenet.
SMan
QUOTE (Unbelieveable @ Aug 17 2006, 03:07 PM) *
Why would someone make such a vicious statment like Mr. Karr did?


Link to article on false confessions.

I'm not saying it is a false confession, but it certainly happens for a variety of reasons.
phluux
I'm not a profiler or investigator but here are two of my theories...

Since he first fled the country on child porn charges to (ironically) a country where child porn is rampant, that a part of him realizes that he is a sick individual and is using Jonbenet to turn himself in and get himself away from children. It's a stretch but you never know.

Or, given his infatuation with children, he had some sort of fascination/fetish about Jonbenet and by confessing to the crime it creates a stronger association with her, dead or alive, somehow making him feel closer to her.

Just a guess. But I have serious doubts that he is guilty of this crime, regardless of his reason for confessing to it.
Unbelieveable
QUOTE (phluux @ Aug 17 2006, 03:44 PM) *
I'm not a profiler or investigator but here are two of my theories...

Since he first fled the country on child porn charges to (ironically) a country where child porn is rampant, that a part of him realizes that he is a sick individual and is using Jonbenet to turn himself in and get himself away from children. It's a stretch but you never know.

Or, given his infatuation with children, he had some sort of fascination/fetish about Jonbenet and by confessing to the crime it creates a stronger association with her, dead or alive, somehow making him feel closer to her.

Just a guess. But I have serious doubts that he is guilty of this crime, regardless of his reason for confessing to it.


Phluux,
The way this story is going, i think you hit the nail on the head. This is so twisted. It makes me so sick ! I just don't get child pron, why anyone would even look at a child like that. I never want to get it-it's just so wrong and nasty, gross, sick, i could go on and on. Even if Mr.Karr didn't do it, i hope he still get's punished. The sick *uck............
Unbelieveable
I have so many unanswered questions. Why or how can Countries like Thailand get away with trading money for their own Childs body? This to me is very disturbing. If i could find away, or do anything to help those Children i'd be there. This has me so sick, angry, hurt, my heart goes out to those Children.

I hate to pull this card on the Forum, but why does GOD give people like this Children? This just opens up so many questions in my mind. Call me crazy or whatever you want, but this tears me up inside. Not just for JonBenet. It's knowing that other Countries bring a Child into the world only to kill their inner being, their soul, feeling safe, trust, love, how can they ever have any of those good feelings within their self when it's taking from them ? And their own Parents let it happen.

I mean this with all my heart and soul. If i could get to Thailand and get any of those Children even if i had to make them leave with me, i would do it. Even if i would have to go too jail i would do it. My mind just can't grasp this sick way of living.........

It's so easy to say ignore it. I'm sorry i just can't ignore it. I'm sick and tired of hearing stories like this, feeling sad for a while, than putting it on the back burner. This makes me feel like a looser in life. I feel like i'm not doing anything to help the Children, but at the same time i don't know where to begain, i'm lost. Where do i start ? who do i write too? If you know post it.

I'm sick and tired of being sick and tired. I'm sick of crying and NOT trying to help.
sweetliberty2u
Anyone with children knows how terrible this is. Yes, the media made it big news in the wrong way. Yes, there maybe a lot of other children that get murder. A child being murdered is never a easy thing to take.

Now whether this guy did it or not, Is a different story. Only time will tell. I'm hoping it was, at least the Ramsey can put it to a finally rest.
Idiot
QUOTE (SMan @ Aug 17 2006, 03:12 PM) *
I'm not saying it is a false confession, but it certainly happens for a variety of reasons.


Doesn't sound like he did it but I'll bet that Bush doesn't care. He and Rove are probably high-fiving right now. They're probably praying that Ford cashes in his chips before the election. That'll be good for a week at least. Then who knows? Maybe O.J. will confess next.


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BMIC
Bush? Rove? Ford? O.J.? How can you seriously post such drivel?
Idiot
QUOTE (BMIC @ Aug 18 2006, 07:00 AM) *
Bush? Rove? Ford? O.J.? How can you seriously post such drivel?


I was off my game, distracted trying to keep up with the soap opera.


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cfulmor
I'm just waiting on you telling us that President Bush and his advisors planted this guy in Thailand to take the heat off. wink.gif

I'm sure you will have a link to something utterly crazy like that.
Unbelieveable
QUOTE (cfulmor @ Aug 18 2006, 07:39 AM) *
I'm just waiting on you telling us that President Bush and his advisors planted this guy in Thailand to take the heat off. wink.gif

I'm sure you will have a link to something utterly crazy like that.



No damn doubt !
Idiot
Moved.

You can go back to the story of the century. rolleyes.gif

Actually, it's the story of the last two centuries now. laugh.gif


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Unbelieveable
I'm still thinking Mr. Karr didn't do it. Last night on the News the Thailand's News reporters was questioning Mr. Karr. The way Mr. Karr replied too the questions was odd.

I really studied this guy's body lanuage, he appears to be weak, he looks so limp. A few times he looked as if he would have fallen if they wasn't holding on to him.

His face expressions are as if he is in deep thought, or he has a slow reaction to the questions, he isn't trying to hide his face, his eye contact is good but yet they look so far away serching for answer's.

Call me what you want but i think body language and face expressions tell's a Story about a person. But i have to keep in mind i never seen him before so he might have alway's acted this way........
Heather
The dude gives me the creeps, even if he didn't do it. He just looks scary...weird, like he'd do something crazy.

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Unbelieveable
QUOTE (Heather @ Aug 18 2006, 10:31 AM) *
The dude gives me the creeps, even if he didn't do it. He just looks scary...weird, like he'd do something crazy.

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Heather,
I hate to judge from a person's look's, but you are putting it mild to what i would like to say.........
Heather
QUOTE (Unbelieveable @ Aug 18 2006, 10:35 AM) *
QUOTE (Heather @ Aug 18 2006, 10:31 AM) *

The dude gives me the creeps, even if he didn't do it. He just looks scary...weird, like he'd do something crazy.

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Heather,
I hate to judge from a person's look's, but you are putting it mild to what i would like to say.........

Let's hide. ph34r.gif
Unbelieveable
QUOTE (Heather @ Aug 18 2006, 10:46 AM) *
QUOTE (Unbelieveable @ Aug 18 2006, 10:35 AM) *

QUOTE (Heather @ Aug 18 2006, 10:31 AM) *

The dude gives me the creeps, even if he didn't do it. He just looks scary...weird, like he'd do something crazy.

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Heather,
I hate to judge from a person's look's, but you are putting it mild to what i would like to say.........

Let's hide. ph34r.gif


Ok, but i'm bring my Son, two dogs, two cat's, and my birds. I'll let the Husband home.............LOL
sweetliberty2u
With reading the newspaper and watching the news on t.v. I'm starting to think, this person didn't do it. Simply because of the fact, that he told, that he pick up the child at school. Which that would be impossible to do, being the children where home for a holiday vaction. At this point, I don't think investigators will ever fine out who really killed that child.

I think he's just plain mental case. And is looking for some kind of fame. He just sick in the head.
City Park Dad
http://abcnews.go.com/US/LegalCenter/story...8693&page=1

Yea, he is sick. He may not have murdered JonBenet, but I'm sure he has done bad things to someone.
Unbelieveable
This is a twised story! Today on the New's they shared more information of John Karr's letters to his Professer. John Karr compares himself to Micheal Jackson. Karr said " I fully understand Micheal Jackson, he is like me. We are both Children who never grew up, we both like to play with Children" Karr also said " I am also Peter Pan" Karr also expressed in the letter's that he lives in the dark like Micheal Jackson...

The New's also releast that John Karr had contact with Polly Klaas's killer. This is rasing a question in the New's Media. Is there a link between the two?

One Prosectuer stated " I think John Rambsy and John Karr might know each other " Her reason for believeing so was " The two John's was in ( i'm thinking) Alabama together " She said " This triggers a question in my mind " She also stated that the Rambsy's aren't clear yet.

Another Prosectuer aruged That The rambsy's have NOT been under investigation after the sample of DNA didn't match the Ramby's. Makes sence.

The New's also said " Karr knows details/secrets that was never releasted to the public about the death of JonBenet. I myself think the secrets/details Karr has shared is why he is under investigation.

I have many different things that i question. The x-wife is one. I also question John and John is there a link? There is just so many things that don't add up. But at this point in the investagation it's just a big guessing game. I just know there is so much we don't know about yet. I feel sure as the day's go by we will have more answers.
BMIC
QUOTE (sweetliberty2u @ Aug 18 2006, 02:00 PM) *
He just sick in the head.


Criminally so if I may hazard a guess. He makes Jeffery Dahmer look like a normal guy. REALLY gives me the creeps.
Idiot
QUOTE (Unbelieveable @ Aug 18 2006, 07:50 AM) *
No damn doubt !


You know me Un, I say exactly what I think.


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Unbelieveable
QUOTE (Idiot @ Aug 18 2006, 10:08 PM) *
QUOTE (Unbelieveable @ Aug 18 2006, 07:50 AM) *

No damn doubt !


You know me Un, I say exactly what I think.


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I was agreeing with you
Unbelieveable
After all i have watced on the New's today i'm thinking Karr did do it.

What a sick ****
tagout
i bet theres thousands of people out there just like him, that hasnt been caught yet.
Unbelieveable
QUOTE (tagout @ Aug 19 2006, 04:23 PM) *
i bet theres thousands of people out there just like him, that hasnt been caught yet.



Tagout,

I just can't get passed this guy.

Give me 15 mins. with Karr. <EDIT>He would be in a lot of pain<EDIT>. He is one sick person....
tagout
believe me, it wouldnt take me that long , not just him i want them all, i dont know why these people are allowed to live around people, there has to be some where to put them all togeather.
sweetliberty2u
QUOTE (tagout @ Aug 19 2006, 05:30 PM) *
believe me, it wouldnt take me that long , not just him i want them all, i dont know why these people are allowed to live around people, there has to be some where to put them all togeather.


Yea, Out on a island in the middle of know where. Sounds Good
Unbelieveable
I'm sitting here thinking, i bet all the other sick punks like Karr are getting off on this.
BMIC
Whether he did it or not, he's getting off on it, and has done a lot of other things. He definitely needs to be BOTH locked up and chemically or physically castrated for life.
sweetliberty2u
Well it seems that the DNA evidence proved, that he's not the one. No charges will be filed. He's just some sick SOB. I had my doubts from the get go, that he was the person. To many holes in his story. And I doubt if there ever fine out who did it. No closer for this family anytime soon.
samy0
Personally I think he did something terrible in Thailand and was about to be found out. confessing to this crime he knew they would ship him back over here. Now all he has is a misdemeanor charge of child porn and fugitive fleeing in california. this guy will be walking the streets in a year or two. this is one demented dude
GreedyXJ


Karr wants Johnny Depp to play him in movie...
samy0
I'd cast liza minelli as the demented John Mark Karr. another suspected killer with 3 names what is the deal with that?
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