http://www.washtimes.com/national/20061113-121539-3317r.htm
The Chinese are still lurking around and should not be forgotten.
This exchange idea sounds too one-sided.
Full Version: Chinese Threat
Meh. I'm reasonably sure that, at any given moment, our subs are still stalking all of the Ruskies' boomers and any significant vessels that the Chinese may have. The issue isn't that the Chinese were doing it to us. The issue should be that we let them get that close. 
Right now we need to show the Chinese a little deference. They are the key to controlling, or maybe solving, the North Korea problem.
Right now we need to show the Chinese a little deference. They are the key to controlling, or maybe solving, the North Korea problem.
I think we're gonna find China sleeping with the enemy soon and should be watched careful. Tension is tight.
China -- The Sleeping Dragon Awakes
Most economists and international strategists agree, China will be the world's next great economy. In fact, the numbers are staggering. (1)
China is currently the home of 1.3 Billion people and rising.
China has 320 million people under the age of 14, more than the entire population of the U.S.
China has been growing at an astounding average rate of 9% per year. But some independent analysts put the numbers closer to 12-13%.
The average Chinese family saves and invests upwards of 40% of their income.
China has more speakers of English as a second language than America has native English speakers.
China's economy is growing at a record-breaking pace. Their rapid economic growth has led to its tremendous demand for massive amounts of commodities. In fact, China is currently the number one importer of many of the world's raw materials (i.e. concrete, iron, steel, etc.) and will only demand more as their economy continues to grow exponentially. In addition to these commodities, China has a strong demand for one other raw material that is vital for economic growth in any modern-day economy: Oil.
That Three-Letter Word: OIL
Until very recently, China has relied primarily upon coal for heating fuel. But with international pressures on reducing worldwide pollution, China has begun to move away from coal and is turning to oil.
Additionally, China's recent economic growth has produced a new and growing middle class that is just beginning to demand automobiles. As this new demand for automobiles takes hold, massive amounts of oil will be required for the automobile fuel that will be needed.
To secure the required oil supplies that China anticipates it will need over the coming years, it has begun initiating enormous contracts with Middle East countries: Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc.
The math is simple: The money to be made from China's economic growth is astounding. It is going to drive Middle East oil revenues through the roof.
China -- The Sleeping Dragon Awakes
Most economists and international strategists agree, China will be the world's next great economy. In fact, the numbers are staggering. (1)
China is currently the home of 1.3 Billion people and rising.
China has 320 million people under the age of 14, more than the entire population of the U.S.
China has been growing at an astounding average rate of 9% per year. But some independent analysts put the numbers closer to 12-13%.
The average Chinese family saves and invests upwards of 40% of their income.
China has more speakers of English as a second language than America has native English speakers.
China's economy is growing at a record-breaking pace. Their rapid economic growth has led to its tremendous demand for massive amounts of commodities. In fact, China is currently the number one importer of many of the world's raw materials (i.e. concrete, iron, steel, etc.) and will only demand more as their economy continues to grow exponentially. In addition to these commodities, China has a strong demand for one other raw material that is vital for economic growth in any modern-day economy: Oil.
That Three-Letter Word: OIL
Until very recently, China has relied primarily upon coal for heating fuel. But with international pressures on reducing worldwide pollution, China has begun to move away from coal and is turning to oil.
Additionally, China's recent economic growth has produced a new and growing middle class that is just beginning to demand automobiles. As this new demand for automobiles takes hold, massive amounts of oil will be required for the automobile fuel that will be needed.
To secure the required oil supplies that China anticipates it will need over the coming years, it has begun initiating enormous contracts with Middle East countries: Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc.
The math is simple: The money to be made from China's economic growth is astounding. It is going to drive Middle East oil revenues through the roof.
QUOTE (Checkingin @ Nov 13 2006, 07:04 PM) 
I think we're gonna find China sleeping with the enemy soon and should be watched careful. Tension is tight.
China -- The Sleeping Dragon Awakes
Most economists and international strategists agree, China will be the world's next great economy. In fact, the numbers are staggering. (1)
China is currently the home of 1.3 Billion people and rising.
China has 320 million people under the age of 14, more than the entire population of the U.S.
China has been growing at an astounding average rate of 9% per year. But some independent analysts put the numbers closer to 12-13%.
The average Chinese family saves and invests upwards of 40% of their income.
China has more speakers of English as a second language than America has native English speakers.
China's economy is growing at a record-breaking pace. Their rapid economic growth has led to its tremendous demand for massive amounts of commodities. In fact, China is currently the number one importer of many of the world's raw materials (i.e. concrete, iron, steel, etc.) and will only demand more as their economy continues to grow exponentially. In addition to these commodities, China has a strong demand for one other raw material that is vital for economic growth in any modern-day economy: Oil.
That Three-Letter Word: OIL
Until very recently, China has relied primarily upon coal for heating fuel. But with international pressures on reducing worldwide pollution, China has begun to move away from coal and is turning to oil.
Additionally, China's recent economic growth has produced a new and growing middle class that is just beginning to demand automobiles. As this new demand for automobiles takes hold, massive amounts of oil will be required for the automobile fuel that will be needed.
To secure the required oil supplies that China anticipates it will need over the coming years, it has begun initiating enormous contracts with Middle East countries: Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc.
The math is simple: The money to be made from China's economic growth is astounding. It is going to drive Middle East oil revenues through the roof.
China -- The Sleeping Dragon Awakes
Most economists and international strategists agree, China will be the world's next great economy. In fact, the numbers are staggering. (1)
China is currently the home of 1.3 Billion people and rising.
China has 320 million people under the age of 14, more than the entire population of the U.S.
China has been growing at an astounding average rate of 9% per year. But some independent analysts put the numbers closer to 12-13%.
The average Chinese family saves and invests upwards of 40% of their income.
China has more speakers of English as a second language than America has native English speakers.
China's economy is growing at a record-breaking pace. Their rapid economic growth has led to its tremendous demand for massive amounts of commodities. In fact, China is currently the number one importer of many of the world's raw materials (i.e. concrete, iron, steel, etc.) and will only demand more as their economy continues to grow exponentially. In addition to these commodities, China has a strong demand for one other raw material that is vital for economic growth in any modern-day economy: Oil.
That Three-Letter Word: OIL
Until very recently, China has relied primarily upon coal for heating fuel. But with international pressures on reducing worldwide pollution, China has begun to move away from coal and is turning to oil.
Additionally, China's recent economic growth has produced a new and growing middle class that is just beginning to demand automobiles. As this new demand for automobiles takes hold, massive amounts of oil will be required for the automobile fuel that will be needed.
To secure the required oil supplies that China anticipates it will need over the coming years, it has begun initiating enormous contracts with Middle East countries: Saudi Arabia, Iran, etc.
The math is simple: The money to be made from China's economic growth is astounding. It is going to drive Middle East oil revenues through the roof.
You forgot to cite your Source.
Biblical prophecy?
Ooooooooh,
Do you really want to go there???
Just say the word.
Do you really want to go there???
Just say the word.
Monk,
Do a google on China and oil and you can find lots of info. But, I am intrigued? How does this relate to Bible Prophecy.... tell me more.
Iran/China: Oil Deal Reflects Geostrategic Realities
By Breffni O'Rourke
Iranian oil refineries (file photo)
AFP
China and Iran are reportedly close to signing a multibillion-dollar agreement to develop the big Yadavaran oilfield in southern Iran. The semiofficial magazine "Caijing" reports that a senior Chinese delegation from the National Development and Reform Commission could arrive in Tehran to finalize the deal as early as March. Word of the move comes amid the intensifying row between Iran and the international community over the aims of Iran's nuclear program. Does it indicate that China will do "business as usual" with Iran despite concern that Iran is secretly trying to develop nuclear arms?
PRAGUE, 21 February 2006 (RFE/RL) -- The Yadavaran oil field has crude oil reserves estimated at three billion barrels. That appears to be an irresistible statistic for China, whose oil-hungry economy is slated to grow another 9 percent this year.
The Yadavaran project could add up to 300,000 barrels of crude per day to China's oil supplies -- a source Beijing is unlikely to ignore given its need for hydrocarbon energy.
"China is approximately the only country which does not condemn [Iran] for the moment, so it is becoming more and more important [to Iran], which is good for China so that it can get its energy."
Iran Important To China
The head of the Overseas Projects Department of the Chinese state oil company Sinopec, G.G. Li, told RFE/RL from Beijing that China values Iran as a continuing source of energy.
"Of course Iran, in terms of energy, with its oil, is important for the Chinese economy, for Sinopec, I believe that," he said.
Some analysts say that to get at the oil, China would not hesitate to break any sanctions that the United Nations Security Council might impose on Iran because of suspicions over the aims of its nuclear power program.
Using Iran?
But senior analyst Manuchehr Takin, of the Center for Global Energy Studies in London, thinks that's a scenario sketched too starkly in black and white. "In terms of geopolitics at a higher level, China might weigh in its relations with Russia and the United States and others, and in the [United Nations'] Security Council there [might be] other deals, and they have to give and take; it could be that Iran could be sacrificed in all of this," Takin said.
Takin notes that much to the surprise of Tehran, China as well as Russia sided with the United States and European countries at this month's board meeting of the International Atomic Energy Agency, which decided to report Iran to the UN Security Council -- a move which could eventually lead to economic sanctions being imposed.
This could explain why Tehran and Beijing -- after several years of delays -- want now to quickly conclude a deal to develop the Yadavaran oil field before sanctions could be applied.
Ready To Do Business
China's Sinopec will reportedly have a controlling 51 percent stake in the Yadavaran project, with the National Iranian Oil Company (NIOC) taking about a 20 percent share. But foreign companies are also eager prospective partners. India's Oil and Natural Gas Corporation is buying into the project, and the Anglo-Dutch Shell -- the world's second biggest oil company -- is also interested.
Shell last year supported Sinopec in preparing a technical assessment on developing the new oilfield. Sinopec later handed this assessment to Iran's NIOC, and there have already been discussions on the proposal.
Shell spokeswoman Caroline Wittgen told RFE/RL from company headquarters in London that Shell remains "interested in participating in the future development of Yadavaran." She did not elaborate.
Analyst Takin says big oil companies are accustomed to working in difficult sociopolitical environments and are not easily deterred by the prospect of sanctions on Iran. "They have been for a 100 years taking risks in turbulent politics, before and after the war and through history in different parts of the world where local conflicts have been going on, and oil companies have been involved in these operations, that is how they make money, and they are not going to get out of Iran quickly," he said.
The broad backing for the Yadavaran project illustrates the difficulties facing the U.S.-led effort to deter Iran from pursuing its nuclear program.
Beijing And UN Sanctions
China was reluctant to support the IAEA decision to report Tehran to the UN Security Council, and China -- a veto holding member of the Security Council -- does not usually favor the concept of sanctions, which it sees as an infringement of a nation's sovereignty.
This means that even if the nuclear issue results in the imposition of punitive UN measures against Iran, they are unlikely to be so severe as to isolate Tehran.
Jean-Philippe Beja, a senior analyst at the Center for International Studies and Research in Paris, says Iran has continuing leverage on Beijing because of its oil resources.
"China is approximately the only country which does not condemn [Iran] for the moment, so it is becoming more and more important [to Iran], which is good for China so that it can get its energy; in a way the Iran-China relationship is a win-win situation for both," he said.
China's Foreign Ministry reiterated today its call for a diplomatic compromise to resolve the nuclear row.
Do a google on China and oil and you can find lots of info. But, I am intrigued? How does this relate to Bible Prophecy.... tell me more.
Iran/China: Oil Deal Reflects Geostrategic Realities
By Breffni O'Rourke
Iranian oil refineries (file photo)
AFP
China and Iran are reportedly close to signing a multibillion-dollar agreement to develop the big Yadavaran oilfield in southern Iran. The semiofficial magazine "Caijing" reports that a senior Chinese delegation from the National Development and Reform Commission could arrive in Tehran to finalize the deal as early as March. Word of the move comes amid the intensifying row between Iran and the international community over the aims of Iran's nuclear program. Does it indicate that China will do "business as usual" with Iran despite concern that Iran is secretly trying to develop nuclear arms?
PRAGUE, 21 February 2006 (RFE/RL) -- The Yadavaran oil field has crude oil reserves estimated at three billion barrels. That appears to be an irresistible statistic for China, whose oil-hungry economy is slated to grow another 9 percent this year.
The Yadavaran project could add up to 300,000 barrels of crude per day to China's oil supplies -- a source Beijing is unlikely to ignore given its need for hydrocarbon energy.
"China is approximately the only country which does not condemn [Iran] for the moment, so it is becoming more and more important [to Iran], which is good for China so that it can get its energy."
Iran Important To China
The head of the Overseas Projects Department of the Chinese state oil company Sinopec, G.G. Li, told RFE/RL from Beijing that China values Iran as a continuing source of energy.
"Of course Iran, in terms of energy, with its oil, is important for the Chinese economy, for Sinopec, I believe that," he said.
Some analysts say that to get at the oil, China would not hesitate to break any sanctions that the United Nations Security Council might impose on Iran because of suspicions over the aims of its nuclear power program.
Using Iran?
But senior analyst Manuchehr Takin, of the Center for Global Energy Studies in London, thinks that's a scenario sketched too starkly in black and white. "In terms of geopolitics at a higher level, China might weigh in its relations with Russia and the United States and others, and in the [United Nations'] Security Council there [might be] other deals, and they have to give and take; it could be that Iran could be sacrificed in all of this," Takin said.
Takin notes that much to the surprise of Tehran, China as well as Russia sided with the United States and European countries at this month's board meeting of the International Atomic Energy Agency, which decided to report Iran to the UN Security Council -- a move which could eventually lead to economic sanctions being imposed.
This could explain why Tehran and Beijing -- after several years of delays -- want now to quickly conclude a deal to develop the Yadavaran oil field before sanctions could be applied.
Ready To Do Business
China's Sinopec will reportedly have a controlling 51 percent stake in the Yadavaran project, with the National Iranian Oil Company (NIOC) taking about a 20 percent share. But foreign companies are also eager prospective partners. India's Oil and Natural Gas Corporation is buying into the project, and the Anglo-Dutch Shell -- the world's second biggest oil company -- is also interested.
Shell last year supported Sinopec in preparing a technical assessment on developing the new oilfield. Sinopec later handed this assessment to Iran's NIOC, and there have already been discussions on the proposal.
Shell spokeswoman Caroline Wittgen told RFE/RL from company headquarters in London that Shell remains "interested in participating in the future development of Yadavaran." She did not elaborate.
Analyst Takin says big oil companies are accustomed to working in difficult sociopolitical environments and are not easily deterred by the prospect of sanctions on Iran. "They have been for a 100 years taking risks in turbulent politics, before and after the war and through history in different parts of the world where local conflicts have been going on, and oil companies have been involved in these operations, that is how they make money, and they are not going to get out of Iran quickly," he said.
The broad backing for the Yadavaran project illustrates the difficulties facing the U.S.-led effort to deter Iran from pursuing its nuclear program.
Beijing And UN Sanctions
China was reluctant to support the IAEA decision to report Tehran to the UN Security Council, and China -- a veto holding member of the Security Council -- does not usually favor the concept of sanctions, which it sees as an infringement of a nation's sovereignty.
This means that even if the nuclear issue results in the imposition of punitive UN measures against Iran, they are unlikely to be so severe as to isolate Tehran.
Jean-Philippe Beja, a senior analyst at the Center for International Studies and Research in Paris, says Iran has continuing leverage on Beijing because of its oil resources.
"China is approximately the only country which does not condemn [Iran] for the moment, so it is becoming more and more important [to Iran], which is good for China so that it can get its energy; in a way the Iran-China relationship is a win-win situation for both," he said.
China's Foreign Ministry reiterated today its call for a diplomatic compromise to resolve the nuclear row.
QUOTE (Checkingin @ Nov 14 2006, 01:53 PM)
Monk,
Do a google on China and oil and you can find lots of info. But, I am intrigued? How does this relate to Bible Prophecy.... tell me more.
Do a google on China and oil and you can find lots of info. But, I am intrigued? How does this relate to Bible Prophecy.... tell me more.
I did do a search of your first post and among the first few results:
http://www.jerryrobinson.org/pax_europa_IV.html
the subtitle clearly refers to biblical prophecy
and the middle of that "article" is your post about China - verbatim
But, you didn't answer my question. How do you see China as related to Bible Prophecy?
You must have some idea.
You must have some idea.
QUOTE
The stage is set, the actors are ready, the audience is seated… and Jesus is about to return for his glorious church.
Popcorn!
QUOTE (Checkingin @ Nov 14 2006, 06:59 PM)
But, you didn't answer my question. How do you see China as related to Bible Prophecy?
You must have some idea.
You must have some idea.
Why would I want to discuss Biblical Prophecy just because you quote an article about it?
QUOTE (Monk @ Nov 14 2006, 06:04 PM)
Why would I want to discuss Biblical Prophecy just because you quote an article about it?
Because you're a monk. I thought that's what monks did. No?
And because you're the one who concerned about it.
QUOTE (Idiot @ Nov 14 2006, 07:06 PM)
QUOTE (Monk @ Nov 14 2006, 06:04 PM)
Why would I want to discuss Biblical Prophecy just because you quote an article about it?
Because you're a monk. I thought that's what monks did. No?
*shaking head*
http://www.lasermonks.com
get with the program
http://www.washtimes.com/national/20061114-123345-3750r.htm
Navy officials confirmed yesterday that an aircraft carrier battle group failed to detect a Chinese submarine that surfaced within weapons range of the USS Kitty Hawk. Anti-submarine defenses for the carrier battle group will be reviewed as a result, they said.
"It was not detected," said one Navy official of the encounter with a Chinese diesel-powered attack submarine. "And we're concerned about that, obviously."
The Chinese Song-class attack submarine surfaced near the carrier in deep waters off Okinawa on Oct. 26. It was armed with wake-homing torpedos and anti-ship cruise missiles.
Navy officials confirmed yesterday that an aircraft carrier battle group failed to detect a Chinese submarine that surfaced within weapons range of the USS Kitty Hawk. Anti-submarine defenses for the carrier battle group will be reviewed as a result, they said.
"It was not detected," said one Navy official of the encounter with a Chinese diesel-powered attack submarine. "And we're concerned about that, obviously."
The Chinese Song-class attack submarine surfaced near the carrier in deep waters off Okinawa on Oct. 26. It was armed with wake-homing torpedos and anti-ship cruise missiles.
Can anyone say the enemy of my enemy is my friend??
Keiffer Sutherland, star of Fox's CIA-type show:"24", was last reported on a slow boat to China. At least that is how last season ended, maybe he can look into things when the season re-starts in January.
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