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lee
Hi everyone:

Here a link to the first part of a series written about the flow of illegal aliens into Maryland. The author says he will break it down from the beginning to now and offer some solutions.

For those interested here's the link:

http://lastreporter.typepad.com/my_weblog/...port-.html#more
Idiot
It looks like this problem is mushrooming.


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lee
Instead of attacking me, why not refute the sources in the article?

Do you have a vested interest in illegal immigration?
Idiot
QUOTE (lee @ Aug 19 2007, 11:37 AM) *
Instead of attacking me, why not refute the sources in the article?

Do you have a vested interest in illegal immigration?



I have a vested interest in this country and not seeing it divided any further than it already is is one of those interests.
Idiot
I've read several times in your lastreporter links (You never answered my question, is that your only source?) and your own posts that companies are paying them "under the table" and not withholding taxes on them. Do you have any links to support those claims? In every instance of a raid that I've read about that isn't the case. In the big bust in Oregon in June they were all paying taxes. Why do they need SS numbers if they aren't withholding taxes?

If an employer isn't paying at least minimum wage or isn't withholding taxes on any employee then I'm all for going after them.
tagout
they are being payed good money, or the american tax payer is paying them to much in services, its well known they sent money back home . i think think they should start paying for there own keep, like the rest of americans have to do, then they wouldnt have so much money left over to send back home,.
lee
If you have a problem with those links, do a google search. You'll find plenty of supporting info on companies such as Wal-Mart paying millons in settlements.

There 's plethra of info out there, but I do not believe you're really interested.

Again, you attack personally, implying I am for dividing this country.

Good luck!
Udmas
Lee, what are your thoughts? Did an illegal take your job from you?
lee
My thoughts are that 12 million illegal aliens minimum have entered our country and are using our services, without paying much in taxes.

This is a good deal for handful, and a bad deal for the majority of U.S. citizens.

No, I didn't lose a job to an illegal, but I suspect some people on this board employ them.

I also want the U.S. to continue as an English speaking country, instead of bi-lingual or Spanish speaking country.

Hope this helps.
Udmas
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Myth #6: Undocumented immigrants do not pay taxes.

Undocumented immigrants pay the same real estate taxes—whether they own homes or taxes are passed through to rents—and the same sales and other consumption taxes as everyone else. The majority of state and local costs of schooling and other services are funded by these taxes. Additionally, the U.S. Social Security Administration has estimated that three quarters of undocumented immigrants pay payroll taxes, and that they contribute $6-7 billion in Social Security funds that they will be unable to claim (Porter 2005).


And this is from urban institute
Idiot
QUOTE (Udmas @ Aug 19 2007, 03:58 PM) *
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Myth #6: Undocumented immigrants do not pay taxes.

Undocumented immigrants pay the same real estate taxes—whether they own homes or taxes are passed through to rents—and the same sales and other consumption taxes as everyone else. The majority of state and local costs of schooling and other services are funded by these taxes. Additionally, the U.S. Social Security Administration has estimated that three quarters of undocumented immigrants pay payroll taxes, and that they contribute $6-7 billion in Social Security funds that they will be unable to claim (Porter 2005).


And this is from urban institute



This is spooky, I was just going to link to that exact page.

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Myth #1: Undocumented immigrants come to the United States to get welfare.

Undocumented men come to the United States almost exclusively to work. In 2003, over 90 percent of undocumented men worked—a rate higher than that for U.S. citizens or legal immigrants..



Thanks for calling this organization to my attention Lee. But I couldn't find the recent study Mr. Dembeck referred to.




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Idiot
QUOTE (lee @ Aug 19 2007, 01:53 PM) *
No, I didn't lose a job to an illegal, but I suspect some people on this board employ them.

I also want the U.S. to continue as an English speaking country, instead of bi-lingual or Spanish speaking country.



Who's getting personal now?


Adios amigo.


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Idiot
The Urban Institute

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Recent Findings

Immigrants play a large role in regional economies.

Immigrants contribute strongly to the Washington, DC region's economy and tax base. Over 1 million immigrants, from many countries of origin, represent 19 percent of the region's total household income and 18 percent of all taxes paid. Our research shows how the most educated and highest earners pay more in taxes than natives.


Maybe that’s the president's plan. He wants to make them citizens and educate them to generate more tax revenue for the country. He’s a smart man.



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lee
QUOTE (Idiot @ Aug 19 2007, 05:16 PM) *
The Urban Ustitute

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Recent Findings

Immigrants play a large role in regional economies.

Immigrants contribute strongly to the Washington, DC region's economy and tax base. Over 1 million immigrants, from many countries of origin, represent 19 percent of the region's total household income and 18 percent of all taxes paid. Our research shows how the most educated and highest earners pay more in taxes than natives.


Maybe that’s the president's plan. He wants to make them citizens and educate them to generate more tax revenue for the country. He’s a smart man.



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You both obviously, I say tongue and cheek, really had no interest in exploring ideas other than those that agree with your pro-illegal stance. That's fine. This is afterall American, not Mexico.
t

You quote the Urban Institute, as the writer did. The non-profit acts as an advocacy and an for illegal and it is left-leading. That's why the piece I posted was so strong. Even the Urban institute says Illegals do not pay their fair share, compared to their precentage of the population. Read their quote carefully.

Thanks for making the author's point. That's probably why he used them as a source.


Best

Goodbye.
Idiot
QUOTE (lee @ Aug 19 2007, 05:19 PM) *
You quote Casa de Maryland, which of course agrees with you.



Where did I quote Casa de Maryland?



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Idiot
I quoted an organization that your boy Chet mentioned as a source.
lee
QUOTE (Idiot @ Aug 19 2007, 05:25 PM) *
QUOTE (lee @ Aug 19 2007, 05:19 PM) *
You quote Casa de Maryland, which of course agrees with you.



Where did I quote Casa de Maryland?



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I meant Urban Institute. See my corrected post.

Enough time spend. If you disagree, it's fine with me.

I'll be posting more for your reading satisfacition. But then again, maybe you should pass them up.
Idiot
QUOTE (lee @ Aug 19 2007, 05:34 PM) *
I'll be posting more for your reading satisfacition. But then again, maybe you should pass them up.



I can't wait. I wouldn't think of passing one up.



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lee
QUOTE (Idiot @ Aug 19 2007, 05:39 PM) *
QUOTE (lee @ Aug 19 2007, 05:34 PM) *
I'll be posting more for your reading satisfacition. But then again, maybe you should pass them up.



I can't wait. I wouldn't think of passing one up.



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You make some strong points!
tagout
usa today said the very rich people in mexico to the government if they raised there taxes to help all these poor mexicans , they were going to move out of mexico, so the mexican government gave all the people a road map on how to get here,,
lee
Hi everyone:

Thousands of illegal aliens who are invading Maryland are being issued ID cards without any proof of residency by Casa of Maryland, a government-funded, nonprofit advocacy group.

Here's a link to the rest of the story: http://lastreporter.typepad.com/my_weblog/...reporterch.html
christine_dixon
but it doesnt say they are government id's... they are more like school id's... ( which you CAN use to cash a check if you are under 18 and have your own account)

i think people may be overreacting to this. obviously they arent giving them STATE id's. anyone that looks at them will know this. what do we care if they have a laminated pict of themselves?
christine_dixon
this is what their site says : What you can expect when hiring workers from CASA:

· CASA is dedicated to the security and well-being of our workers and employers. To ensure a high degree of professionalism, CASA distributes identification cards


so they are COMPANY id cards. big whoop!





also you need to specify that this is CASA de Maryland, not CASA ( the abuse shelter for women and children)


as per their website : link



"CASA of Maryland is a community organization that was founded in 1985 by Central American refugees and North Americans. CASA was created in response to the human needs of the thousands of Central Americans arriving to the D.C. area after fleeing wars and civil strife in their countries of origin.

While CASA was established to meet the special needs of the Central American population, we serve immigrants from virtually every country in Latin America, as well as Africans, Asians and U.S. citizens, as needed."
Udmas
Part of their mission statement.

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CASA’s vision is for strong, economically and ethnically diverse communities in which all people – especially women, low-income people, and workers – can participate and benefit fully, regardless of their immigration status. CASA works to create a society with these characteristics:
christine_dixon
QUOTE (Udmas @ Aug 30 2007, 03:32 PM) *
Part of their mission statement.

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CASA's vision is for strong, economically and ethnically diverse communities in which all people – especially women, low-income people, and workers – can participate and benefit fully, regardless of their immigration status. CASA works to create a society with these characteristics:





i certainly wasnt saying i support them, i was just saying that the id cards may not be the problem. i also wanted to point out that when cite and organization that is not the only one with its name ( such as CASA, which is the name of at least 3 in the state of maryland) you should provide people with information about the specific one you are referring to. we don't need people picketing outside the battered womens' shelter.

i will say that i think it is shameful for any organization to make illegal persons readily avaiable to companies for hire, but it does say that they also do yard work and such things.

it should also be noted that there is a HUGE difference between an illegal immigrant and a political refugee.
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