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christine_dixon
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HAGERSTOWN - A lawsuit has been filed against Hub Labels Inc. after the company allegedly told a man he was too old to work at the Hagerstown business.



In the lawsuit filed in the U.S. District Court for the District of Maryland, the U.S. Equal Opportunity Commission says Hub Labels did not hire Clarence Stottlemyer because of his age. The Clear Spring resident is 60 years old.



The EEOC alleged that Hub Labels violated federal law when the company refused to hire the applicant after he interviewed there in April. Stottlemyer is asking for back pay and other damages, but the amount is not specified.



Phone calls to Hub Labels Inc.'s corporate vice president, Tony Dahbura, were not returned Wednesday. A phone call to the company's chief financial officer, Ed Jacobs, also was not returned.



A woman who answered the phone at the company Wednesday afternoon said that Jacobs was not prepared to talk about the lawsuit because the company had not received a summons.



According to the civil complaint, Stottlemyer applied to be a label catcher for Hub Labels. The company on Shawley Drive in Hagerstown manufactures pressure-sensitive labels and related products, according to its Web site.



Debra Lawrence, supervisory trial attorney, said that position required lifting, sometimes in excess of 40 pounds.



She said there was a "stereotypical assumption" that Stottlemyer could not do the job because it required heavy lifting. Lawrence said that Stottlemyer previously worked for Eastalco Aluminum Co. in Frederick, Md.



"He was no stranger to physical work," Lawrence said.



During an interview with his potential employers April 2, Stottlemyer asked to demonstrate that he could do the job. The position required that he remove labels from the conveyor, place them on a scale, and also start and stop the conveyor, Lawrence said.



He allegedly was told "no" by a shift supervisor who was interviewing him, according to the lawsuit.



The EEOC claims that no one from the company's human resources department would respond to Stottlemyer's inquiries about his employment.



"Employers must make employment decisions based on the applicant's ability to perform the duties of the job, not on age-based myths and stereotypes," EEOC Regional Attorney Jacqueline McNair said.



Lawrence said that before the EEOC files a lawsuit, the organization first tells the company that it violated the law and then tells the employer what it can do to fix the situation without a lawsuit being filed. Additional information is given to the employer about any policies or training that are deficient.



The employer can decide whether to accept the conditions, which could include paying back salary, or face a lawsuit.



Lawrence said a court date has not been set, but that the civil complaint would be heard before a jury. She said it was too soon to tell whether Hub Labels Inc. would attempt to settle out of court.


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i dont know why they even made an issue of it... they could have just said "thank you, we'll be in touch" and then filled the position with someone else, and informed him it had been filled. how hard is that??
SMan
I have a family member in his mid-50's that suspects he's not getting jobs he's more than qualified for because of his age. Of course, none of the employers has been dumb enough to tell him it's because of his age. blink.gif
tagout
60, they are the hardest working people, i dont think they are going to get younger ones, there to busy sleeping this time of day or waiting on there big check the tax payers give them to stay home and not work.
txexpatriot
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During an interview with his potential employers April 2, Stottlemyer asked to demonstrate that he could do the job. The position required that he remove labels from the conveyor, place them on a scale, and also start and stop the conveyor, Lawrence said.



He allegedly was told "no" by a shift supervisor who was interviewing him, according to the lawsuit.


NO to what? Did he perform the task incorrectly??? Or am I missing something?

And everyone since 1980 knows you just say, we will call you...then, we have filled or cancelled the position. sorry.
SMan
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60, they are the hardest working people, i dont think they are going to get younger ones, there to busy sleeping this time of day or waiting on there big check the tax payers give them to stay home and not work.


Yeah, but who caused the younger ones to be this way? I'd say it's the 60 year olds that failed when raising the spoiled, lazy younger generation, so it's the geezers fault. See how painting with a broad, stereotypical brush goes both ways? rolleyes.gif
Mcgee
I hope he wins the lawsuit.
40 pounds is not heavy if as he said he worked at Alcoa. Heavy lifting was an everyday thing.
I`ve been in the same situation as him. I applyed for a job and was told. You don`t want to work here go work for your father. Iam a han-d cap peson I heard this all the time. But that was back in the 70s. To bad i didn`t put a lawsuit on them.
Idiot
QUOTE (christine_dixon @ Oct 4 2007, 09:37 AM) *
i dont know why they even made an issue of it... they could have just said "thank you, we'll be in touch" and then filled the position with someone else, and informed him it had been filled. how hard is that??



How do we know for sure that they didn't? He's either got to have something in writing saying he didn't get the job because of his age, have a witness who heard them say it, or the interviewer will have to admit saying it. Otherwise it's his word against their's.

One concern I would have is how long can a 60 year old continue to do the job without developing physical problems. He may be fine for a week or 2 and then go on worker's comp. That's a legitimate concern for an employer. I wonder how many 60 yr olds UPS and Fedex have in the warehouse.

I'm also curious what the EEOC told the employer they could do the "fix the situation".

But you're right, sometimes honesty isn't the best policy.
txexpatriot
QUOTE (Idiot @ Oct 4 2007, 10:04 AM) *
QUOTE (christine_dixon @ Oct 4 2007, 09:37 AM) *
i dont know why they even made an issue of it... they could have just said "thank you, we'll be in touch" and then filled the position with someone else, and informed him it had been filled. how hard is that??



How do we know for sure that they didn't? He's either got to have something in writing saying he didn't get the job because of his age, have a witness who heard them say it, or the interviewer will have to admit saying it. Otherwise it's his word against their's.

One concern I would have is how long can a 60 year old continue to do the job without developing physical problems. He may be fine for a week or 2 and then go on worker's comp. That's a legitimate concern for an employer. I wonder how many 60 yr olds UPS and Fedex have in the warehouse.

I'm also curious what the EEOC told the employer they could do the "fix the situation".

But you're right, sometimes honesty isn't the best policy.



Idiot--you are right on this case. I'll never forget being involved in a hiring team once and all the others were in favor of hiring this 58yr. old man for a estimator job--which involves alot of physical issues. My only question was how long will he be able to perform this job? Well, they hired him--w/in 1 yr he was re-assigned to a desk for 'light duty' due to a back injury...

I'd be willing to bet there are very few, if any FedEx or UPS warehouse people over 50..let alone over 60...

And, yes, Age discrimination is hard to prove...
Snoopy
If I'm not mistaken I have heard some awful things about this employer. Allegedly one Manager there cusses at employees and brags that he has had people slash his tires and knock his teeth out over him being such a jerk, and he doesn't care. Yet the owner keeps this guy on. blink.gif
hagopinion
I would like to start by stating that IF this is true, I hope the man wins. However, this information does surprise on two fronts. As a past supervisor it is hard to believe this group would make a statement to incriminate themselves. As most of you have already said, "Thanks for your time we will be in touch." However, the most important aspect is how surprising this is to me because I have worked directly with this agency for 5-6 years. I monitor services that people with a wide range of Developmental Disabilities receive. Two people that I have worked with in the past were employees at Hub Labels. The crews that they were on treated them as co-workers, not as charity cases. The coworkers and supervisors would attend meetings and compliment the job that these folks were doing. They requested trainings not for the coworkers but for the entire company on Traumatic Brain Injuries, Alzheimer’s, Cerebral Palsy, and Mental Retardation. At meetings if there was a job performance issue, it was discussed as a team and the team developed ways to make the work environment more suitable for the people with the disabilities. I work with every agency in Washington County that provides services to people with disabilities and they all could learn something from the folks at Hub Labels. It is hard to explain the difference but to again say they did not treat the person with a disability as a charity case. They treated them like family and treated them as if they were as different as a black person, Asian person, a woman, or any other minority in this work environment. So as I stated before, if this is true it is surprising.
communityhagerstown
rolleyes.gif Note to self: proof-read resume again, make sure date of graduation is omitted.
Udmas
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During an interview with his potential employers April 2, Stottlemyer asked to demonstrate that he could do the job. The position required that he remove labels from the conveyor, place them on a scale, and also start and stop the conveyor, Lawrence said.
He allegedly was told "no" by a shift supervisor who was interviewing him, according to the lawsuit.


I agree with Idiot.

When did they tell him he was to old for the job?

If he loses I hope he has to pay Hub Labels attorney fees.
sweetliberty2u
I fine this topic a eye opener, because as we all get older.
No employer is going to want us, because were to old and can cut it.
But it's proven that older employee's stand at a job longer, then these young folks.

Ain't life grand smile.gif Yea, I use the word Ain't. laugh.gif
Bentcorner
Younger people are only doing the jobs that older Americans don't want.
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