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Drevin
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Sunday November 4, 2007 School system: Study that labels Hancock 'dropout factory' misleading
By ERIN CUNNINGHAM erinc@herald-mail.com


WASHINGTON COUNTY


One Washington County public school was listed among about 1,700 schools nationwide being called “dropout factories,” despite having the lowest dropout rate in the county.

Washington County Public Schools Assistant Superintendent for Secondary Instruction Donna Hanlin said the recent study of dropout rates by Johns Hopkins University researchers is misleading.

According to the study, Hancock Middle-Senior High School has a 58 percent retention rate, meaning that 58 percent of the school’s students make it from freshman to senior year. The school has about 350 students in grades six through 12. The label of “dropout factory” was given to schools that have 60 percent fewer students in their senior classes than began as freshmen.

According to Maryland State Department of Education data, only 0.46 percent of Hancock-Middle Senior High’s students dropped out in 2007, and in 2006 no students dropped out.

“Hancock is clearly not a dropout factory,” Hanlin said.

She has been talking with Johns Hopkins researcher Robert Balfanz, and said that the study did not distinguish between students who transfer to other schools within Washington County or out of state. Many Hancock Middle-Senior High students transfer to Washington County Technical High School in their junior year, Hanlin said.

“It’s definitely not accurate,” she said of the label researchers gave the school. “It’s misleading, and it’s definitely not the case with Hancock. We’re proud of the results that Hancock has achieved.”

Researchers said that while some students transferred, most dropped out. The data assessed senior classes for three years in a row to study the retention rates, according to The Associated Press.

Hanlin said she is continuing to communicate with Balfanz about Hancock’s inclusion in the list of troubled schools.

The study classified 13 schools in Maryland as “dropout factories,” five of those in Baltimore City. Seventeen Pennsylvania schools and four in West Virginia received that distinction. No other Tri-State area school was named on the list.

Overall, Washington County Public Schools’ dropout rate has lingered at about 2 percent since 2003, according to the Maryland State Department of Education. In 2007, 2.54 percent of students dropped out of school, up slightly from 2006, when 2.18 percent of students left before graduation, according to state data.

In 2005, the dropout rate in Washington County was at at least a 12-year low, when only 1.87 percent of students dropped out.

The percentage of students leaving high school before graduation was as high as 5.55 percent in 2000, but Hanlin said a lot of work has been done to reduce that number.

“We’ve dug deep into every individual student’s needs,” she said. “It’s really made a difference.”

Hanlin said that each school has a support team that works to identify students who might be at risk for dropping out of high school. These factors can include academic success, behavioral issues and attendance.

Support teams have been in schools for years, she said, but the process of helping individual students was fine-tuned about two years ago.

“We think we have a better idea of how that process should work, which is collaboratively and proactively instead of reactive with students,” Hanlin said.

Student intervention specialists also are in each of the secondary schools, developing relationships with students who might need additional support. For at-risk students, having a one-on-one connection with at least one adult who cares about their success can make a difference, Hanlin said.

“We don’t treat students as numbers where we need to get the rate to a certain percentage,” said schools spokesman Will Kauffman. “We’re working with them in particular situations, getting answers for them when they may not be getting any.”

Hanlin said that offering students choices and challenging them also has been proven to keep students in school.

Kauffman said the intensive one-on-one work being done with students is paying off.

“It’s not about these numbers,” Kauffman said. “It’s about these kids staying in school, giving them opportunities they wouldn’t have if they dropped out.”



Intersting story where once again, when someone independently looks at a situation in Washington County, the numbers appear to be significantly different than the ones supplied by county employees. Could there possibly be a pattern here? Wouldn't it be nice to have a system of competent, independent overisght of all aspects of Washington County instead of just taking the word of the people who benefit financially from supplying 'good' statistics?
christine_dixon
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According to the study, Hancock Middle-Senior High School has a 58 percent retention rate, meaning that 58 percent of the school’s students make it from freshman to senior year. The school has about 350 students in grades six through 12. The label of “dropout factory” was given to schools that have 60 percent fewer students in their senior classes than began as freshmen.


that is ridiculous. i cannot even imagine. what are these kids doing after they drop out of school? maybe if people wouldnt hire them, they would stay in school. or maybe they don't work? what do they do all day? sit in mommy and daddy's house and smoke pot? why do people allow their kids to do this? "you're not going to school? fine. out you go". "you're not currently a student and planning to graduate? no extenuating circumstances? sorry. can't hire you". i'm not saying that people who may have dropped out of highschool do not deserve a job, but this town seems to have an ABUNDANCE of drop-outs. they can't all be weird circumstances and/or/ pregnancies?

that is deplorable.
Bentcorner
It's one of the "unforeseen" results of luring businesses to the area that don't require a college degree let alone a high school diploma.
christine_dixon
QUOTE (Bentcorner @ Nov 5 2007, 09:59 AM) *
It's one of the "unforeseen" results of luring businesses to the area that don't require a college degree let alone a high school diploma.


i hear ya. Rayloc, etc.

my husband and i lived in Hancock for less than a year before we were married. all hours of the night, young kids out, smoking pot right on the street, telling their mothers to "f off and mind their business" etc. very trashy atmosphere in that town. i worked at a pizza place as a waitress ( tony's) and you would not believe the number of drop-outs that would apply there. it wasn't unusual to have a table full of high school age kids at the lunch rush. just didn't feel like going to school... they'd hang out and smoke in front of the pizza place all day...

that being said, i did work with a few kids who were in school, and worked evenings and weekends, and they were very nice, very hard working, and serious about school. sadly they seemed to be the minority. maybe i got a misrepresentation of the high school kids in Hancock because i worked at a place that attracted drop-outs and school skippers?
Snoopy
QUOTE (christine_dixon @ Nov 5 2007, 08:47 AM) *
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According to the study, Hancock Middle-Senior High School has a 58 percent retention rate, meaning that 58 percent of the school’s students make it from freshman to senior year. The school has about 350 students in grades six through 12. The label of “dropout factory” was given to schools that have 60 percent fewer students in their senior classes than began as freshmen.


that is ridiculous. i cannot even imagine. what are these kids doing after they drop out of school? maybe if people wouldnt hire them, they would stay in school. or maybe they don't work? what do they do all day? sit in mommy and daddy's house and smoke pot? why do people allow their kids to do this? "you're not going to school? fine. out you go". "you're not currently a student and planning to graduate? no extenuating circumstances? sorry. can't hire you". i'm not saying that people who may have dropped out of highschool do not deserve a job, but this town seems to have an ABUNDANCE of drop-outs. they can't all be weird circumstances and/or/ pregnancies?

that is deplorable.

Read the article again -- it is really more like < 1%.
Drevin
Christine,

Your observations seem to back up what the Hopkins folks were reporting. An important note that the article left out was that the MSDE numbers for dropouts are 'self-reported' by the school districts. So WC could have reported whatever they wanted and never worry about it. It would seem that a topic with such varying numbers and significant importance would be worthy of an audit from someone outside the school system (hint hint BOCC). I think they would discover that this is not an isolated incident in terms of 'favorable reporting' by the WCPSS staff.
christine_dixon
QUOTE (Snoopy @ Nov 5 2007, 11:56 AM) *
QUOTE (christine_dixon @ Nov 5 2007, 08:47 AM) *
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According to the study, Hancock Middle-Senior High School has a 58 percent retention rate, meaning that 58 percent of the school's students make it from freshman to senior year. The school has about 350 students in grades six through 12. The label of "dropout factory" was given to schools that have 60 percent fewer students in their senior classes than began as freshmen.


that is ridiculous. i cannot even imagine. what are these kids doing after they drop out of school? maybe if people wouldnt hire them, they would stay in school. or maybe they don't work? what do they do all day? sit in mommy and daddy's house and smoke pot? why do people allow their kids to do this? "you're not going to school? fine. out you go". "you're not currently a student and planning to graduate? no extenuating circumstances? sorry. can't hire you". i'm not saying that people who may have dropped out of highschool do not deserve a job, but this town seems to have an ABUNDANCE of drop-outs. they can't all be weird circumstances and/or/ pregnancies?

that is deplorable.

Read the article again -- it is really more like < 1%.


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Researchers said that while some students transferred, most dropped out. The data assessed senior classes for three years in a row to study the retention rates, according to The Associated Press.
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like i said, the numbers may not match up exactly. but i lived and worked in that town for a short time, and i personally witnessed many drop-outs looking for jobs, and kids who skipped school on a regular basis. no, Hancock may not be unique in this problem, but since it is such a small town, i think it is more noticeable in dropout statistics. maybe they had around the same NUMBER of dropouts as other WCPS, but there are less than 400 kids in that school, so the PERCENTAGES are alarming. this is where parents and employers need to step in... "no school? fine. no car, no drivers license , no gas money, etc. no using my house to hang out in while i work all day and you do nothing. " that goes for everywhere, not just hancock.

that being said, i know people who did not graduate from high school for whatever reason, and are very hard working, decent adults, but they do not seem to be the majority.
Drevin
Snoopy,

The Hopkins study is saying that 42% of the students who begin the 9th grade at Hancock do not graduate from Hancock. Sure some people move away and others go to the WC Technical High School, but 42%? The droput figure supplied by the WCPSS is less than 1% (specifically they say that only 1 student out of the 217 in the 9-12 grades dropped out last year). Why such a difference - less than 1% vs 42%? If it was somewhat close, yeah there might be slight calculation problems, but they are off by a factor of 100! ?????????
Snoopy
My guess/gut says the truth is much closer to the WCBOE number than the Hopkins number as far of number of kids dropping out of school who start at Hancock.

How do we find out for sure?

Ohhh, I know, let's ask Kid! laugh.gif
christine_dixon
Drevin
Good idea Snoopy. If we let the BOCC put their spin on top of the BOE spin, I bet we can get the dropout rate below zero. I know that doesn't make much sense but neither does spending $10 million for a runway that nobody will use. Oh where oh where has Kid gone?
Snoopy
QUOTE (christine_dixon @ Nov 5 2007, 12:51 PM) *

Now that I believe...it passes the sniff test.
txexpatriot
I have a tendency to believe the dropout rate you found CD...most teachers I have found almost grab their students'ankles(picture wheelbarrow) in an effort to push them to the 'finish line'(graduation). They keep giving them chances to make up tests, work, projects....etc...If a student doesn't graduate, it has to be because they did not want to at all....
Drevin
Here is the data on Hancock High from the MSDE website. This is the flow most likely used for the study.

In 2003 there were 71 9th graders.
In 2004 there were 64 10th graders.
In 2005 there were 38 11th graders.
In 2006 there were 38 12th graders.

So they went from 71 9th graders in 2003 to 38 12th graders in 2006. That is a 53% retention rate. Now WCPSS should provide the detail for how many of those kids moved or transferred to the Technical HS. That would explain where all of the kids went. Maybe though they just got on the wrong bus somewhere along the line and got left off in WVA. Or maybe they just quit school early for one of those great jobs at the airport.
Aldo
Now Drevin, be nice. LOL!!!

There are a few things that should be considered though. Hancock is a rather depressed region of the county. As such maybe there is a larger number of people (with kids) moving to some where else in search of opportunity.
Also if a large number of kids from HMSHS transfer to the Tech High, maybe we should be looking at what we need to address in terms of providing the type skills these (typically) not college bound students need to prosper.
The extremely higher numbers for Hancock contrast sharply with the figures for PA and WV. Jurisdictions that (mostly) mirror the rural nature of the Hancock district. What factors might be at play to cause this, if in fact it is correct.
And finally, we're assuming the survey was correct. Drevin has provided some figures that seem to reflect the same conclusions but I'm always hesitant to accept the conclusions of surveys, studies and polls. I know first-hand how easy it is to manipulate such things. Of course, I can't think of a reason someone from outside the area would have for setting-up WashCo. BOE but who knows? More than likely it's not a case of them being set-up but simply that of their own figures being so out of whack with reality it appears there is a larger discreption than there really is. After all, just as with everything else, the BOE's primary goal is to prop up their public image and the statistics they submit with funding requests. Tweaking the drop out rates a bit, maybe by manipulating the way such things are recorded, could make them look much better than Johns Hopkins has.

I have to say in BOE's defense though that the method used in the study seems weird to say the least. We're going to assess the drop out rate by deducting the difference in ninth graders to twelfth graders three years later??? Maybe if we all stayed in the same place forever. We are however a mobile society.
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