ok,
what number is JR gonnna drive. I can't think far enoug into this season ... I got an invite for the TWINS:yay:

88

practice starts next week

Daletona

You got that right Wrangler.

Mark Martin said the C O T car is hard to get set up in Daletona for fast speeds.

umm Mark, That is because they want to slow you down man.

Ok I bought my airfare for 2/12 returning 2/18 A friend of mine lives in winterhaven FL we are gonna drive over and catch the twins

Cool have a good time. If you see Brian France please smack him upside the head for me for ruining a great sport.

It`s all about the money anymore Wrangler. If you goto all the races at Daytona this Feb. You would have to pay out about $1,000.00 to see all the races at the track. They jacked up all the ticket prices..

I`ll still go to the RIR race in the fall.

Anyone wanna buy a 1 bed room condo on the beach at Daytona?

Yup it is no longer a sport. Brian France turned it into a business. I remember years ago reading an article the Brian had no interest in racing and it shows since his takeover. He is like a child that is handed a great business then runs it into the ground.

by the time I bring back all the new JR. hats and shirts for my friends and kids I will have spent more on hats than airfare.


Having a 9 yo tell his grandpa that Jeff gordon wears pink panties "PRICELESS"

is Rudd driving anything this year?

This is going to be Boris' year, I can feel it!!!

Well I saw today that Tony Stewart punched Kurt Busch. Looks like a fun year!!

Looks like Stewart and Busch are looking for that line, now we'll see if they stepped on it or over it.

They want to win back the traditional fan? I think it's a little late for that.

Well they could lower the beer price and let Stewart and Busch fight it out in the pits like some of the old fights. I would be sure to watch that fight. They can blame Tony all they want but he waited too long to punch Busch out, he should have done it at Dover when Busch swerved his car at the jackman. That was uncalled for. Drivers should be free to fight it out. LOL

I soo Miss Jimmy spencer

Ahhhh...... Mr Excitement!

I see junior is off to a good start. 2 for 2 races so far. I`m not sold on the C O T cars. To bunched up racing on a big track. They might be better to watch on smaller tracks.
Tony has a 6 month probation handed to him. What a way to start the 08 year off. I`ll stick with Dale Jr. to win Daytona and stay with him the rest of the season.

Good choice but we will have to wait till November to know if it is the right choice. LOL

I think Kyle needs a black eye after the truck race.

this is funny

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z8yUPpSofZE

The race was better than I thought it would be. My driver didn`t win but that`s ok. Tony messed up big time when he didn`t follow the 12 car. Kyle has a death wish and dosen`t know it. Montoya needs to be set down and told it isn`t a demolition durby it`s a car race. Newman drove a smart race. Kurt looked like a snow plow behind Newman picking up the 12s rear wheels and pushing all the way down the back streach. All in all it was a good race to watch.

Newman finally got a win. It's been over two years since he had one. Made me happy!

I watched some of the race. It was advertised as starting at 2pm. The green flag didn't drop until 3:45. Way too many commercials, especially considering the cars are one big advertisement with wheels. The concept of multi-car ownership is ridiculous. You would never see that with any real sport. The Newman guy only one because the Busch guy helped him by pushing him. If the two cars weren't owned by the same owner, he wouldn't have won. The minute Busch decided to help the other guy, he stopped competing. It's hard to take serious.

It's still too hillbilly for my taste.

I'm not a race fan, but I watched some of yesterday's race because it looks pretty good in HD. I also thought their pre-race coverage was over the top (the lip synching Chubby Checker was sad). I felt like I did two weeks ago with the Super Bowl pre-game. Just start the damn event already!

Nascar is not a hillbilly sport. If you don`t understand the sport don`t watch it. It takes a heck of alot more skill to drive at the speeds they drive. Than some indoor sports with 7ft. players jumping 6 inches to make a score with a basket 10 ft off the floor. Now that is a SISSY SPORT.

It's way too hillbilly. I understand they probably couldn't get rid of all of the hillbilly even if they tried, but it seems they go out of their way to promote the hillbilly aspects. I was watching it for about 30 minutes and I suddenly had a craving for moonshine. I don't even know what moonshine tastes like. The whole "booogity-booogity-booogity" thing is so ridiculous. Does the owner with the most cars win every week?

iT`s best you don`t watch it. I`m not going to set here and answer your questions that you know the answers to. THEN YOU ANSWER A QUESTION WITH A QUESTION. End of discussing with you about NASCAR racing. All I can add is read up on the subject. This post will not turn into another debate posting as you have with other posts. JUST READ THIS AND BE QUIET...

Who in the "booogity-booogity-booogity" are you to tell me to be quiet?

Why is all the goodlooking dudes ***??

Luck of the draw UN. It has alot to do with how they race each other. Some drivers do things when they shouldn`t. Like drafting to close to a turn. This could wreck a driver. Bumpin drafting the wrong car. and moving at the wrong time. Among other things that shouldn`t be done.

I find it amazing how they can drive at such a HIGH rate of speed and still control their car. Awesome sport!!!!

And twice a year, they actually get to turn the wheel left and right. Booogity-booogity-booogity!

Ok Bent you had your fun. No need for it. Leave this post to people who like Nascar racing express themselves with racing info.

Stop telling me what to do and stop sending me threatening PM's. I watched the Daytona 500 on Sunday. At least some of it. That is what this topic is about. I don't need your blessing or authorization to now discuss it.

Let's take it easy, Bent, please. This topic is going along quite well (even though I don't follow it much, myself) without someone coming in and antagonizing the folks who have a serious interest in discussing the sport.

Thanks.

Poor Gordon - good thing he has his trophy wife!

I am taking it easy. I was not antagonizing anyone. I didn't send anyone nasty, hate filled private messages. I watched the race Sunday. At least most of it. I thought that allowed me the privilege of discussing "DayTUNA" with the rest of the folks here. Instead of McGee whining about my opinion, he ought to just get someone to show him how to block what I say. Nobody is forcing him to read any of my posts. Lord knows I don't read most of his posts.

If you want to suspend me for a week or two, go right ahead. Just make sure that it's for a valid reason.

Gordon had set up problems that made the upper A arm get out of shape. This is just one race he DNFed. I would like to see him do more DNFs.

The COT car has 50 more hrse power than last year. I thought they wanted to slow then down a little. Guess it didn`t work. They are still going into the high 180s. per lap. Same as last year. I think Toyota is going to have a good year in 08. They have 15 more horse power than any other car in the field. Some body found something that works for Toyota.

ModSquad
Why not check into Bent's other comment's along with WVDragonlady's????
Outside of this. I'm gonna get really messed with from you TRUE nascar nut's, I'm one too ok. Poor ole Kasey, My boy, WE'RE ABOUT TO KICK HIS ASS IF HE DON'T GET-R-DONE.......

Oh just let bent poke fun. There is always one in every crowd. Dang this seems like Dejavue. I thank I said that in the Daytona thread last year when I first joined this Forum. TFF!

Any way its the hillbilly aspect we all love. The fact that I can drink beer from a can, from a cooler I brought into the track, and do it without my shirt on. HE HE HE

and besides we know NASCAR is rigged and wraslen is fake but we all like to be entertained

Ok yesterdays race was a waste of my time. I went to the local watering hole to watch. Cause watching alone is also boring. Last night was a waste of my gas. So was todays race any better?

No Doug it was boring. Those cars are a hand full to get the set up just right. I think the drivers just wanted to get it over with.

I consider tracks like Fontana, Chicagoland, Kansas, Las Vegas all boring cookie cutters. While Tracks like Rockingham, North Wilkesboro, Darlington either get replaced or lose dates to these boring tracks.

Wow, I just read this quote and had to do a double take... it's pretty much the exact wording my friend at work used to describe his thoughts on those tracks.

I still want two more road courses or at least one in the Chase, but we can't have it all. They stopped running at the Rock a couple years ago, correct?

On a somewhat unrelated note, I'm doing my first circle track day at Langley Speedway in VA in May... I've only ever driven on road courses, so I hope I don't get bored only turning left. I don't know what to expect, so we'll see what happens!

Yep no more Rock.
Good luck man. Remember to race the track not the other racers. That will work out on it`s own. Whay kind of race car and size of motor?

I don't think I'm actually racing on track with any other cars; it's more of a time trial/test/driver's school thing. Racing is really freaking expensive so I'm trying to stick to time trials/driver's schools for now, but I'm using either my "street" BMW or my friend's '87 BMW race car (built to SpecE30 rules). We're doing it more for kicks than to improve our skills, but it also is another track to add to the experience resume.

My goal is to get an SCCA and/or NASA racing license in the next three years, and they like you to have a varied background in order to get the license. So far, my main experiences are just karting, autocross, and only a few track days at Summit Point and VIR. I only have a "crew license," so all I can really do is be part of a pit crew or corner flagging (which is a TON of work). Race school, a race car (tow vehicle, trailer, etc.), and full weekends away are VERY expensive.

My favorite saying about racing is something I heard last year from an acquaintance I met at a happy hour who said he raced in the IMSA TransAm series in the late 80s/early 90s: "The only way to win a million dollars in racing is to spend four million."

But back on topic, I really like the COT because the safety features are just phenomenal. NASCAR is a now a spec series moreso than it ever has been which should make the competition closer than ever. While I think this is great, some purists and outsiders who like seeing a big crash each race may not be interested when the big one never happens. My big peeves with NASCAR are the top 35 rule and the fact that many smaller/one car teams cannot secure any sponsors anymore because the big teams have 2-5+ sponsors for EACH car. It seems like no driver/team has a set identity like back-in-the-day or even 5 years ago. Does that make sense?

I have to agree on the COT cars being safer. Also easy to control in a side slide. It`s a shame they have to have so many car teams. The little guy is being run out of racing from not having a big sponcer.

Langely is the first track I ever drove at.

They can set up a pretty cool road course through the pits etc. They had an exibihition there once in between practices it was pretty awsome the lap times those cars were turning when some of the turns almost required a ded stop to make

EDWARDS IS A CHEATER!!!!! I knew there was something about that big goofy grin



LAS VEGAS – After the debacle last weekend in California, NASCAR needed a weekend without stepping in it. And for most of Sunday afternoon NASCAR didn't.


The weather cooperated, the crowd bulged inside Las Vegas Motor Speedway for the UAW-Dodge 400 and Dale Earnhardt Jr. challenged for the win.

But then came the Carl Edwards tire incident, which forced NASCAR into making one of its judgment calls. That was followed by the Carl Edwards oil lid incident, which will force it to make another call Tuesday.

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If only Dale Jr. had won, things would be so much easier. But he didn't. Edwards did, and now NASCAR is left to explain a few things.

First, the oil cooler lid incident.

In postrace inspection, NASCAR found the lid in Edwards' oil cooler "off." That's how it was explained. Off.


That means Edwards could have had an advantage. No oil cooler lid means more air, which could mean more speed.

There is a precedent for this. Five cars were found with the same violation following the Nationwide race at Daytona. Each received a 25-point penalty and the respective crew chiefs were suspended for six races and put on probation for the remainder of the season.

The difference here is none of those five cars won the race. Edwards did.

So when NASCAR takes Edwards' car back to its R&D center in North Carolina, what will come of it?

This is where it gets tough for NASCAR.

If it finds something wrong, what will it do?

Well, we know the answer to this question: NASCAR will dock Edwards points, probably 100, suspend his crew chief and levy a fine.

The problem is, any penalty hints that there was some wrongdoing on the part of Edwards' crew. If that's the case, why not yank the win away from him?

Rules are rules, after all, and if you're going to penalize cheating off the track, they need to treat cheating on the track even harsher.

Which brings us to the tire incident.

Fifty-two laps before taking the checkered flag, Edwards came onto pit road to get four fresh tires. As he left his pit stall, one of his old tires wandered across the infield at Las Vegas Motor Speedway, having somehow gotten loose.

Per NASCAR rules, Edwards could have been issued a penalty. But NASCAR determined the errant tire wasn't the fault of Edwards' crew but rather an erroneous cameraman who got in their way.

Instead of penalizing Edwards a lap, NASCAR allowed him to maintain his third-place position – a decision that changed the entire complexion of the race.

NASCAR can – and did – explain away its decision because it has written its rulebook in a fashion that leaves every rule in it open to its own judgment. Case in point, the rules regarding tire changes:

"If in the judgment of NASCAR officials a team made every effort to control a tire and circumstances beyond their control cause the tire to travel across the pit road, a lap or time penalty may not be assessed."

Eleven days ago, NASCAR penalized Robby Gordon 100 points for an unapproved nose on his car. Before NASCAR handed down the penalty, Gordon pled his case, saying he didn't know the nose was an unapproved version, that the wrong part came from the manufacturer and that it had nearly an identical inventory number as the approved nose.

"We're being tried for a crime we didn't commit," Gordon said.

NASCAR's response: Tough luck.

"Rules are rules," NASCAR's Sprint Cup competition director John Darby said when I rehashed Gordon's explanation to him.

When Darby told me this, I understood, because even though I'm certain Gordon wasn't trying to skirt the law, NASCAR would be opening up a Pandora's box once it allowed one person to play dumb.

But let's spin this forward. From the rule above, take out the word 'tire' and replace it with words befitting Gordon's situation and here's what you get:

"If in the judgment of NASCAR officials a team made every effort to use the correct nose and circumstances beyond their control cause them to use the wrong nose, a penalty may not be assessed."

Why was Edwards allowed to skate but not Gordon?

"You're assuming it was inadvertent," NASCAR spokesman Ramsey Poston said of Gordon's explanation for the unapproved nose.

It's a valid point but one that paints NASCAR into a corner. Because later this week, if it ends up penalizing Edwards for the oil cooler lid incident, the only way NASCAR can legitimately explain not taking away the win is to assume its being off "was inadvertent."

Oh, they were so close to it all being good. If only Junior had won

Only way NASCAR would ever take a win away is if Robby Gordon won a race.

If I was in charge and a post race inspection found something definitely wrong the punishment would be simple. Disqualified. No points and no money.