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Iranian TV: Pentagon Video, Audio Fake
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[b]By ALI AKBAR DAREINI, AP
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TEHRAN, Iran — Iran accused the United States on Wednesday of fabricating video and audio released by the Pentagon showing Iranian boats confronting U.S. warships in the Persian Gulf.

The video from Sunday's incident shows small Iranian boats swarming around U.S. warships in the Strait of Hormuz. In the recording, a man speaking in heavily accented English threatened, "I am coming to you. ... You will explode after ... minutes."

"The footage released by the U.S. Navy was compiled using file pictures and the audio has been fabricated," an official in Iran's Revolutionary Guards was quoted as saying by the state-run English-language channel Press TV.

State TV did not give the name of the Revolutionary Guard official and did not offer more details about how the official knew the footage was "fabricated."

The Bush administration continued to denounce the Gulf confrontation as "provocative."

"This is a provocative act ��� not a smart thing to do, and they are going to have to take responsibility for the consequences, if they do it again," National Security Adviser Stephen Hadley told reporters aboard Air Force One as President Bush flew from Washington to Israel.

Hadley adding that his comments should not be seen as a threat.

In the four-minute, 20-second video released Tuesday, the Iranian boats appeared to ignore repeated warnings from the U.S. ships, including horn blasts and radio transmissions. The video was shot from the bridge of the destroyer USS Hopper.

After spotting the approaching Iranian boats, a Navy crew member on the Hopper says over the radio: "This is coalition warship. I am engaged in transit passage in accordance with international law. Intend no harm."

The audio and video recordings were made separately but were pulled together by the Navy. Often uneven and shaky, the video condenses what Navy officials have said was a confrontation of about 20 minutes.

The Iranian fleet of high-speed boats charged the U.S. warships and threatened to blow up the Navy convoy as it passed near but outside Iranian waters, according to Vice Adm. Kevin Cosgriff, the top Navy commander in the Gulf. The Iranian fleet "maneuvered aggressively" and fled as the American ship commanders were preparing to open fire, he said. No shots were fired.

Defense Minister Mostafa Mohammad Najjar called Western news reports that the boats threatened to blow up the U.S. warships "mischief."

"(Iranian) navy units ... asked them to identify themselves. They responded accordingly and continued their path," the official IRNA news agency quoted Najjar as saying.

He said the encounter was normal.

"The identification of vessels passing through the Strait of Hormuz by Iranian navy units is a natural occurrence," IRNA quoted Najjar as saying. "Islamic Republic of Iran navy units always put questions to passing vessels and warships at the Strait of Hormuz and they need to identify themselves. This is in accordance with the normal procedures."

Cosgriff has said Iran's "provocative" actions were "deadly serious" to the U.S. military.

The confrontation was an unusual flare-up of U.S.-Iranian tensions in the Persian Gulf as Bush prepared for his eight-day Mideast trip, designed in part to counter Iran's influence in the region. Bush, who arrived in Israel on Wednesday, is expected to discuss the U.S. stance toward Iran with Arab allies that are also worried about Tehran's desire for greater regional power.

Many Arab countries fear the Iranian-American rivalry could erupt into a military confrontation that would put them in the crossfire and hurt vital oil traffic through the Strait of Hormuz.

Iran's Revolutionary Guards has said that its high-speed boats never threatened the U.S. vessels during the encounter, insisting it only asked them to identify themselves, then let them continue into the Gulf.

Cosgriff, the commander of U.S. 5th Fleet, which patrols the Gulf and is based in nearby Bahrain, said the American vessels, which were clearly marked, had been identified by Iranian authorities earlier in the day.






curiouser and curiouser.
Patton
Not really, this seems normal.

The Iranians know they stepped on their own dick and are now trying to cover their collective asses.
Bentcorner
One more reason people should be more energy efficient.
Patton
From Iran to energy efficiency. If that's not off-topic I don't know what is.

Talking about one soverign nation threatening another in International Waters. Try to stay on topic.
Bentcorner
QUOTE (Patton @ Jan 9 2008, 10:22 AM) *
From Iran to energy efficiency. If that's not off-topic I don't know what is.

Talking about one soverign nation threatening another in International Waters. Try to stay on topic.

You really don't see the connection to Iran and energy conservation? Are you unfamiliar with the Strait of Hormuz and how it is significant?
Patton
[Sarcasm Alert]

Nope never been to that part of the world.

[Alert over]
Bentcorner
QUOTE (Patton @ Jan 9 2008, 10:43 AM) *
[Sarcasm Alert]

Nope never been to that part of the world.

[Alert over]

Then I am doubly surprised at your confusion over how energy conservation and problems with Iran are connected.
Patton
Then re-read what is in between the []
wildblue
I'm going to put on my tinfoil hat and say that I wouldn't be at all surprised if it turns out that the tapes are fake and the current administration will use them as justification for going to war with Iran. ph34r.gif
Patton
QUOTE (wildblue @ Jan 9 2008, 11:59 AM) *
I'm going to put on my tinfoil hat and say that I wouldn't be at all surprised if it turns out that the tapes are fake and the current administration will use them as justification for going to war with Iraq. ph34r.gif



Damn!!!! You figured it all out. Who told you? laugh.gif rolleyes.gif
Idiot
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Right out of the LBJ play book.

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For an encore Bush will steal a page from Monty Python and catapult a cow at them.

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Bentcorner
I think the tape is fake, but that's only because I can hear the theme song to Miami Vice in the background. That kinda gives it away.
Udmas
QUOTE (Patton @ Jan 9 2008, 12:14 PM) *
QUOTE (wildblue @ Jan 9 2008, 11:59 AM) *
I'm going to put on my tinfoil hat and say that I wouldn't be at all surprised if it turns out that the tapes are fake and the current administration will use them as justification for going to war with Iraq. ph34r.gif



Damn!!!! You figured it all out. Who told you? laugh.gif rolleyes.gif


Idiot laugh.gif
wildblue
QUOTE (Udmas @ Jan 9 2008, 05:55 PM) *
QUOTE (Patton @ Jan 9 2008, 12:14 PM) *
QUOTE (wildblue @ Jan 9 2008, 11:59 AM) *
I'm going to put on my tinfoil hat and say that I wouldn't be at all surprised if it turns out that the tapes are fake and the current administration will use them as justification for going to war with Iraq. ph34r.gif



Damn!!!! You figured it all out. Who told you? laugh.gif rolleyes.gif


Idiot laugh.gif


Erm...not so much. I think for myself just fine! wink.gif Anyway, I was being (kinda, sorta) facetious. Just sayin' I wouldn't be surprised. I wouldn't put anything past this administration.
Snoopy
SO ALL THE SOLDIERS AND SAILORS ON THAT SHIP ARE IN KAHOOTS TO START A FAKE INCIDENT TO START WAR WITH IRAQ??????

Amazing..we believe Amadenijad over our own armed forces' men... blink.gif
Bentcorner
QUOTE (Snoopy @ Jan 11 2008, 12:00 PM) *
Amazing..we believe Amadenijad over our own armed forces' men... blink.gif


How many of our armed forces' men did you talk to about this?
wildblue
QUOTE (Snoopy @ Jan 11 2008, 12:00 PM) *
SO ALL THE SOLDIERS AND SAILORS ON THAT SHIP ARE IN KAHOOTS TO START A FAKE INCIDENT TO START WAR WITH IRAQ??????

Amazing..we believe Amadenijad over our own armed forces' men... blink.gif


Wow! I didn't say that at all...just voicing my opinion that I wouldn't be surprised if the Bush administration took this and ran with it.

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/01/10/iran-gunboats/
Patton
Snoopy, you are surprised? The liberal media has brain-washed even those who think for themselves. rolleyes.gif
wildblue
QUOTE (Patton @ Jan 11 2008, 04:04 PM) *
Snoopy, you are surprised? The liberal media has brain-washed even those who think for themselves. rolleyes.gif


I don't understand why you feel the need to belittle my opinion simply because it's not the same as yours. I would never think of doing that to you. huh.gif
Patton
If you took that personally, you should not have. Ask anyone I make blanket statements all the time.
PHISH
QUOTE (Patton @ Jan 11 2008, 04:33 PM) *
If you took that personally, you should not have. Ask anyone I make blanket statements all the time.


Yes, and they just happen to be right after the post of someone he disagrees with. But don't take it personally Wildblue! laugh.gif
Idiot
QUOTE (Snoopy @ Jan 11 2008, 12:00 PM) *
Amazing..we believe Amadenijad over our own armed forces' men... blink.gif



As usual, if you question the Bush administration you're accused of somehow being against the troops. I can't imagine what reason anyone could possibly have for being suspicious of the Bush administration wanting to start a war with a Middle Eastern country. rolleyes.gif



I haven't seen this reported in the US media yet.


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Last week, the Iranians and the US issued different video versions of what took place.

On the Pentagon's version, a strange voice, in English, can be heard saying "I am coming to you. You will explode in a few minutes." The voice sounds different from one heard earlier in the recording and there is no background noise that would usually be picked up from a speedboat radio.

In the Iranian version, there is no hint of aggressive behaviour.

The Pentagon said it recorded the film and the sound separately and then edited them together to give a "better idea of what is happening".

But Commander Lydia Robertson, a navy spokeswoman, admitted: "We don't know for sure where they [the threats] came from. It could have been a shore station."




Oops! They never meant to confuse anyone. laugh.gif


So Snoopy, which version would you say is more accurate?
Snoopy
QUOTE (Idiot @ Jan 14 2008, 03:01 PM) *
QUOTE (Snoopy @ Jan 11 2008, 12:00 PM) *
Amazing..we believe Amadenijad over our own armed forces' men... blink.gif



As usual, if you question the Bush administration you're accused of somehow being against the troops. I can't imagine what reason anyone could possibly have for being suspicious of the Bush administration wanting to start a war with a Middle Eastern country. rolleyes.gif



I haven't seen this reported in the US media yet.


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Last week, the Iranians and the US issued different video versions of what took place.

On the Pentagon's version, a strange voice, in English, can be heard saying "I am coming to you. You will explode in a few minutes." The voice sounds different from one heard earlier in the recording and there is no background noise that would usually be picked up from a speedboat radio.

In the Iranian version, there is no hint of aggressive behaviour.

The Pentagon said it recorded the film and the sound separately and then edited them together to give a "better idea of what is happening".

But Commander Lydia Robertson, a navy spokeswoman, admitted: "We don't know for sure where they [the threats] came from. It could have been a shore station."




Oops! They never meant to confuse anyone. laugh.gif


So Snoopy, which version would you say is more accurate?


Uh, gee ID, I believe everything Iran and Ron Paul say. blink.gif
Idiot
QUOTE (Snoopy @ Jan 15 2008, 11:36 AM) *
Uh, gee ID, I believe everything Iran and Ron Paul say. blink.gif



It's not so much a matter of who people believe as it is who they don't believe.



Edited:

Btw, your refusal to answer my question "speaks so loudly that I cannot hear what you say."


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