On this 35th anniversary of the Roe v. Wade decision, I would like to share my views on the issue of abortion.

Life begins at the point of conception. No one can deny that after a human being is conceived it will develop into the very same being as those debating this issue. What astounds me is that those who favor abortion went through an identical development stage as the being they are condemning to death. Would these very same people agree that a similiar choice should have been made about their own existence? Abortion today is used primarily as a birth control of convenience because people are too self-centered to take precautions. They prefer their own pleasurable self-indulgence over the care and sanctity of the life they created. What ever happened to taking responsibility for one's actions in this country? Is it too much to ask a woman who has conceived to place the child into adoption? Nine months of discomfort is nothing compared to life in prison for voluntary manslaughter! Does the father of the child have a say in this? And what about the constitution of the United States? Are not all people conceived in this country deserving of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness? I believe abortion is a crime against humanity and should be outlawed. We need to overturn the Roe v. Wade decision and get back to cherishing life in this country. For a country that murders it's children cannot be far from self destruction.

I am not disagreeing with your opinion but just curious what your thoughts are on the death penalty from the statement; "For a country that murders it's children cannot be far from self destruction."?

Though your response was not directed at me, please allow me to speak on it. There is a tremendous difference between executing an innocent baby whose only crime was to be conceived and executing a person who took another life often in a vicious and horrid way. Case in point, think of poor Jessica Lunsford whose last moments were being buried alive after being sexually abused and God knows what else. Think too of the victims of Charles Manson. They deserve justice. I support the death penalty for cases like these where the crimes were heinous. I do not think it should be handed out lightly but let's not take it off the table. Abortion on the other hand is far over used. I used to be pro-life but after knowing a woman who had 3 abortions and coming to feel life does indeed begin at conception, I have had a change of heart.

I will always feel that the use of the procedure is a matter that belongs between doctor and patient and I will always feel that if my pregnancy were the result of a crime committed agaisnt my person, the population at large would have a lot of nerve to tell me how I needed to spend the rest of my life. While I love pregnancy and children, if I had a pregnancy that would lead to an hopeless situation for the person being born because of chromosomal problems or other unresolvable medical issues, I would schedule and abortion as soon as I could. If I would not do something to a rat in a lab, I will not do it to my own children. Is the prolife crowd aware that the ultimate result of conception is death?

Are actual opinions wanted?
An opinion being an observation, not a fact but feeling or stance. Accordingly, all information on the web, from a surfer's perspective, is better described as opinion rather than fact. It can include anything from cut and pasting the same Bible excerpts repeatedly, actual thoughts, ideas or questions, or deferring to more private/appropriate avenues. Sharing opinion means reflections from different sides. After reading the opening statement I just wanted clarification if diverse opinions are being sought on this topic? Or if there was a different intent? Take your time, or skip over my question. The opening statement threw me off. Again, would not of responded if it had not been for the structure of the opening statement. Feel free to jump over my entry, not a problem. I will understand.

That's why the whole matter belongs between physician and patient..........in my OPINION!!

X2

BTW this all sounds very familiar. Didn't we just have a very long involved debate on this exact subject about a month ago?

X2

I also fear that the topic starter won't stick around long enough to even debate on this thread.

He never does.
Everyone should just go copy and then paste their replies from over there

Better yet, isn't this the most recent abortion discussion?

http://www.herald-mail.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=3972

There ya go Joe, have fun.

Thank you. As always, you and many others say it better.

Unfortunately I disagree, imagine that.

This is a topic that needs to be discussed.

At length and in depth.

A quote from a song, if you will allow me:



We as a country tend to care more about "Global Warming" than we do about our own creations, how very sad. I pray every day that, we change before we are wiped off the face of the earth like certain other Biblical nations.

[quote name='Patton' date='Jan 13 2008, 05:35 PM' post='95429']
This is a topic that needs to be discussed.
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Will it be discussed? Perhaps deferring to the old thread will say it all. As it contains all the same information that will come out here. Its' the same people available for posting. We have only had 2 new members since that thread. If that is what people want, no problem. Its your time and effort. I was just curious on the intent of repeating so soon, when its the same people.

DISCUSSED: To speak with another or others about; talk over by examining all sides. To examine or consider different views.

How about saving the trees and only conceiving children when we actually have a vision to bring them up as thinking, rational, productive citizens who use their talents and carry on their own visions? Stop elective abortions by reducing the market for it. That can be done without interfering with anyone's choice and without lots of inappropriate and uninspired legislation.

Wow!!! I would really like you to expand your statements. You have honestly piqued my interest. I will give you a fair warning humans are apt to sin.

We have enough different types of contraceptives to effectively and significantly reduce the number of accidental pregnancies. Also, we can start teaching our children to wait to have children until they are adults and are truly prepared to take on the responsibility. If that happens, and every child conceived is truly desired and not conceived unless they are truly desired, there will not be a market for abortion on demand anymore. Am I dreaming? Possibly.

So, if I am reading your correctly, you wish to rely on man, and his contraceptives, is this correct?

I personally believe, not having sex and educating our young people to the realities of having sex, are better.

No, I am not perfect, I have had pre-matital sex. I am human and subject to sin.

No; occasionally contraceptives fail. Now......not making love to anyone with whom one is NOT actually in love with......well.....lots of sex would be excluded from the human expirience! Also......as a result, fewer children would be born.....just a thought. It's worked in my life.

So, Abstinence would not be an option? If I am reading you(or into you(I could be wrong)) correctly.

If you do not truly care for someone, that is; if you are not in love with someone, why would you be initmate with them? Not that everyone lives this way.......but....it has worked for this evil Witch!!! Yes....I am saying that abstinance should be an option.

evil Witch!

Lol.........I'm sooo evil......that all my children are wanted! Imagine that! Conceived at a time when I knew I could care for them........Of course; the pope would not approve of such things!

my daughter wasn't exactly "planned" but guess what? when you get pregnant, YOU CHANGE THE PLAN and take care of your kid! stop using abortion as a cop-out, as if it were designed to remedy some minor inconvenience, ya know??

Very true. I just don't buy into the idea that we need to have lots of unplanned pregnancies anymore, especially with partners we don't really have a loving relationship with.

oh i totally agree. ladies, birth control is not fool proof. it tells you that right on the packaging. if you're not open to the idea of having his kids, don't nail him. if you think he's a nice dude, but not down with "commitment", again... may wanna hold off on that one... just in case...

the whole "baby machine" outlook is so dunzo...

i do have a question though... how does everyone feel about the ru486?? like say you find out your method of birth control failed... do you risk it, or pop the ru486?? i've heard that some people consider it abortion, but i was told by a health care provider that it will not interfere with a pregnancy that is already past a certain point?? it will only prevent conception? but then i have heard other people say it will terminate a pregnancy in the wee hours... so... ru486... yea or nay?

no, that's not what i meant... i just meant that you should always keep in mind that there's always a CHANCE artificial birth control will fail, and it is naive to think otherwise. maybe i shoulda worded that differently?? sorry for confusion...

Pop the ru486. Since no conception will have occured yet, you are not technically "aborting". Back in my day though, methods like that, and there are a couple, were used only in emergencies.

Doesn't the RU486 work by not allowing the fertilized egg to attach itself to the uterine wall?

If this is a true, then conception has in fact, occurred.

Just saying....

what about the guy?? what if he wants the kid?? isnt it just as much his?

ah youre right! thanks for clearing that up! now it makes more sense....

Well! Maybe the "man", or "guy" should have a stronger notion of the woman's intentions and level of commitment BEFORE he donates his sperm! Back when I was young, we called it "getting to know the other person". This was best done BEFORE intimacy! Y'all are really too much sometimes.................

i agree, that makes no sense... if s chick gets pregnant and wants to keep it, everyone jumps on the guy to man up and "be a dad"... but apparently if she DOESNT want the baby, he has no say? that seems a bit unfair to me...

Yes, it's very unfair. That's why it's such a good idea for both partners to really be committed to each other, committed to the results of their actions (such as babies) and truly in love before they start changing the world with their irreversible decisions.

Agreed.

Also "Maybe the "man", or "guy" should have a stronger notion of the woman's intentions and level of commitment BEFORE he donates his sperm"

Well what happens if the girl is telling him that she would keep the baby then once it happens decides not too? The guy has no options or alternatives.

And what about the girl that tells the guy its ok "i'm on the pill" then its oops! Face it guys and girls BOTH lie in the heat of the moment. If you want to be sure there is ONLY one way. Abstinence. anything else is a game of russian roulette

I believe that we, as a country, care about Global Warming BECAUSE of our own creations and the future generations that are created from us. If we ruin the environment now, it leaves little to be desired for the future of our children and children's children, etc.

Do any of you pro-lifers take into consideration women who have become impregnated due to situations that are out of her control (i.e., rape, molestation)? Do you feel that a woman should be forced to carry a baby that stems from a traumatic incident?

I'm going to be a bit old fashion here as some might say.

What's wrong with waiting until your married to have children? What is everyone just a horny rabbit. lol

So many children are being born now and the mother's sit at the Welfare Department.
The father's of these children is already out of the picture and wants nothing to do with the child.

Yes, my daughter had a baby and the father of that child is nowhere around. Yes, I talked to my daughter about getting a abortion at first. Because I knew how hard it was going to be raising a child all by yourself. I knew that child wouldn't have a father. I wanted my daughter to have more out of life. At least wait until she was married. But the baby here now, She'll have to take care of him until he's 18, not me. Live and Learn the hard way.

I was and still am a firm believer. If your barely making it your ownself, you have no business having a baby.
So take birth control, Take responiblity for your own actions.

I'm ProChoice, I have no right telling anyone how to lead their life or what decisions they should make.

i dont think a woman should be FORCED to carry a baby, ever... that would sorta suck the joy outta the whole deal, imo. so i guess i'm not pro-life?? i guess i'm more "pro- be as careful as you can and consider the consequences of your choices"?

I agree. x2 on that.

If an understanding of reality sucks the joy out of certain activities in life, that's a shame.

Here's a good question: which one of you wishes you were aborted? None? Whoa--what a surprise!

I never was much into existentialism.

My parents wanted me and raised me in a loving home. If that had been different, I may have had a much different answer....

Just checking to see if the horse was dead yet...

Not yet...the beatings will continue until we all agree.

"The Only Thing Worse Than Beating A Dead Horse Is Betting On One"

Just listen to the politician
wishing his position wasn't missing
everything his heart would like to say
and a constant in the constitution
is that there can't be one solution
it'd be so far from the truth
and we would hate it anyway
opinions are immunity to being told
you're wrong paper, rock, and scissors
they all have their pros and cons

and all of us we will endure
just like we always have
but you just can't be too sure
how long this will last

cause we control the chaos
in the back of our minds
our problems seem so small
but they grow on us like gravity
but gravity makes us fall
- relient k

yes. i realize this is not the singing thread. <3

The horse may be gasping it's last breath, but I gotta give y'all credit for one thing...........everyone argues nicely about abortion here! That ain't the case everywhere!

thats because most of us have been down this path before on here. we're tired.I don't remember if the past "discussions" were so "nice". I think it had to do with BMIC

Yeh, the new BMIC lite is a bit nicer.

You mean Patton?


Just kidding general! Look, a smilie------>

good points