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Concern mounts over rising troop suicides

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Every day, five U.S. soldiers try to kill themselves. Before the Iraq war began, that figure was less than one suicide attempt a day.

The dramatic increase is revealed in new U.S. Army figures, which show 2,100 soldiers tried to commit suicide in 2007.

"Suicide attempts are rising and have risen over the last five years," said Col. Elspeth Cameron-Ritchie, an Army psychiatrist.

Concern over the rate of suicide attempts prompted Sen. Jim Webb, D-Virginia, to introduce legislation Thursday to improve the military's suicide-prevention programs.

"Our troops and their families are under unprecedented levels of stress due to the pace and frequency of more than five years of deployments," Webb said in a written statement.

Sen. Patty Murray, D-Washington, took to the Senate floor Thursday, urging more help for military members, especially for those returning from war.

"Our brave service members who face deployment after deployment without the rest, recovery and treatment they need are at the breaking point," Murray said.

She said Congress has given "hundreds of millions of dollars" to the military to improve its ability to provide mental health treatment, but said it will take more than money to resolve the problem.

"It takes leadership and it takes a change in the culture of war," she said. She said some soldiers had reported receiving nothing more than an 800 number to call for help.

"Many soldiers need a real person to talk to," she said. "And they need psychiatrists and they need psychologists."

According to Army statistics, the incidence of U.S. Army soldiers attempting suicide or inflicting injuries on themselves has skyrocketed in the nearly five years since the start of the Iraq war.



I knew it was rising but I didn't know it was that bad.

Last summer Republicans in Congress blocked a vote on a bill that would have guaranteed that the troops would have at least as much time at home as they do in Iraq. It's a disgrace how our government has treated the troops during this war.
SMan
That's terrible.
jimnycricket
Indeed, it is horrible.

What is more horrible is how the Congress swept into power on the anti-war platform, has been unable to do anything with the current administration. That my friends is sad. sad.gif
Steve Shives
QUOTE (Idiot @ Feb 3 2008, 01:20 PM) *
Last summer Republicans in Congress blocked a vote on a bill that would have guaranteed that the troops would have at least as much time at home as they do in Iraq. It's a disgrace how our government has treated the troops during this war.


The Bush administration has exploited and abused the military more than any in our history, and yet still Republicans are somehow able to paint themselves as the party most friendly to the troops. I don't get it.
Idiot
QUOTE (jimnycricket @ Feb 3 2008, 02:22 PM) *
Indeed, it is horrible.

What is more horrible is how the Congress swept into power on the anti-war platform, has been unable to do anything with the current administration. That my friends is sad. sad.gif



Unfortunately we have a Congress full of obstructionists and that's the way it's going to be until one party gets a veto-proof majority.
Idiot
QUOTE (Steve Shives @ Feb 3 2008, 02:24 PM) *
The Bush administration has exploited and abused the military more than any in our history, and yet still Republicans are somehow able to paint themselves as the party most friendly to the troops. I don't get it.



Personally, I don't think either party has been very friendly to the troops lately. sad.gif


You've started a new font fad. laugh.gif

Idiot
That's a horrible thought. sad.gif
jimnycricket
QUOTE (Idiot @ Feb 3 2008, 03:23 PM) *
QUOTE (jimnycricket @ Feb 3 2008, 02:22 PM) *
Indeed, it is horrible.

What is more horrible is how the Congress swept into power on the anti-war platform, has been unable to do anything with the current administration. That my friends is sad. sad.gif



Unfortunately we have a Congress full of obstructionists and that's the way it's going to be until one party gets a veto-proof majority.


But!?! Don't we loose something int that? The checks and balances, and all that stuff.
jimnycricket
QUOTE (Bentcorner @ Feb 3 2008, 04:40 PM) *
I remember something that happened during the first Iraq war. The Desert Storm one. I was TDY back to Guam with guys from the 42nd BW in Loring, Maine. A lot of them were getting divorced from the wives back at Loring. They used to tell the married guys when being deployed to give their wife power of attorney. That way they could take care of anything while they were gone.

Well, many of these women were taking these power of attorney documents and just crucifying them in the divorce.

I think a lot of people don't realize just how terrible some of the marriages are in the military. Some of these marriages are just holding on by a thread and simply cannot take the constant deployments. Wifes either leave their husbands outright or run around on them when they are gone. It's not pretty.

I wouldn't be surprised if most of the suicides weren't so much from the war, but from marriages that became destroyed because of the war.


Doesn't it go both ways, don't civilian husbands divorce Military wives? Or is this another male/female bias thing?
siriunsun
Yes; civilian husbands divorce military wives, also. It's just difficult, all the way around.
jimnycricket
I would think so. It just seems to me that the blame is put upon the woman. When the men can be just as guilty
siriunsun
Well......I honestly don't always blame that sort of thing on gender. More men go to wars than women....but the subsequent divorces are really for complex reasons. And when you have someone who comes back from a war depressed and suicidal and actually acting out in front of your kids and refusing any treatment, either VA or civilian, you've got a problem. What may appear to be gross abuse of power of attorney may simply be a matter of protecting one's self or one's children. And lets not forget how hard the military makes it for soldiers and vets to get any type of assistance at all with those matters.
theBurninator
i just watched some thing on tv the other day... actually i think it was "True Life: I have a Spouse In Iraq" was very sad. showed how different people deal with the absence.... one chick took off her wedding ring and went out clubbing all the time, and when her husband came home they slept in separate rooms... one chick was in the army... deployed in iraq... when she got pregnant by another soldier... she married him and then went home to have the baby and he wouldn't let her re-enlist, so she was mad the whole time.. said she didnt wanna be a military wife.. wanted to be a soldier... another girl married her boyfriend 3 days before he deployed... she moved in with another newlywed bride whose husband was deployed in the same unit.. and they were all the time sending packages etc...

i guess people have to deal with such difficult times in their own way... sad that some feel they CANT deal and feel the need to off themselves.
Yossarian
I seriously don't think he's even closely involved with those types of things Bent. With no disrespect meant, I think his duties take him as far away from the war as you can get.
siriunsun
Where is Patton, anyway?
PHISH
He has been banned for the week due to this comment.
siriunsun
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He has been banned for the week due to this comment.



Oh............................ rolleyes.gif
Idiot
QUOTE (PHISH @ Feb 4 2008, 11:39 AM) *
He has been banned for the week due to this comment.



I didn't get that comment. Was he calling the modsquad a prick?
Steve Shives
QUOTE (Idiot @ Feb 3 2008, 03:28 PM) *
Personally, I don't think either party has been very friendly to the troops lately. sad.gif

You've started a new font fad. laugh.gif


And may I say, you've chosen a lovely font, too.
PHISH
QUOTE (Idiot @ Feb 4 2008, 11:46 AM) *
QUOTE (PHISH @ Feb 4 2008, 11:39 AM) *
He has been banned for the week due to this comment.



I didn't get that comment. Was he calling the modsquad a prick?


I think so. Not to mention that he was mocking the fact that he was reprimanded by the Mod Squad.

Reminds me of that scene in the Breakfast Club when Judd Nelson and the principal are going back and forth and he racks up like 2 months of detention because he doesn't know when to shut his mouth. laugh.gif
Idiot
QUOTE (Steve Shives @ Feb 4 2008, 11:46 AM) *
QUOTE (Idiot @ Feb 3 2008, 03:28 PM) *
Personally, I don't think either party has been very friendly to the troops lately. sad.gif

You've started a new font fad. laugh.gif


And may I say, you've chosen a lovely font, too.



Thank you. It had "comic" in the name so I thought it fit. laugh.gif
siriunsun
QUOTE (Idiot @ Feb 4 2008, 12:46 PM) *
QUOTE (PHISH @ Feb 4 2008, 11:39 AM) *
He has been banned for the week due to this comment.



I didn't get that comment. Was he calling the modsquad a prick?


I didn't really get it, either; but, whatever he meant, it certainly sounded disrespectful and rude.
azurewinds94
QUOTE (Idiot @ Feb 3 2008, 01:20 PM) *
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Concern mounts over rising troop suicides

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- Every day, five U.S. soldiers try to kill themselves. Before the Iraq war began, that figure was less than one suicide attempt a day.

The dramatic increase is revealed in new U.S. Army figures, which show 2,100 soldiers tried to commit suicide in 2007.

"Suicide attempts are rising and have risen over the last five years," said Col. Elspeth Cameron-Ritchie, an Army psychiatrist.

Concern over the rate of suicide attempts prompted Sen. Jim Webb, D-Virginia, to introduce legislation Thursday to improve the military's suicide-prevention programs.

"Our troops and their families are under unprecedented levels of stress due to the pace and frequency of more than five years of deployments," Webb said in a written statement.

Sen. Patty Murray, D-Washington, took to the Senate floor Thursday, urging more help for military members, especially for those returning from war.

"Our brave service members who face deployment after deployment without the rest, recovery and treatment they need are at the breaking point," Murray said.

She said Congress has given "hundreds of millions of dollars" to the military to improve its ability to provide mental health treatment, but said it will take more than money to resolve the problem.

"It takes leadership and it takes a change in the culture of war," she said. She said some soldiers had reported receiving nothing more than an 800 number to call for help.

"Many soldiers need a real person to talk to," she said. "And they need psychiatrists and they need psychologists."

According to Army statistics, the incidence of U.S. Army soldiers attempting suicide or inflicting injuries on themselves has skyrocketed in the nearly five years since the start of the Iraq war.



I knew it was rising but I didn't know it was that bad.

Last summer Republicans in Congress blocked a vote on a bill that would have guaranteed that the troops would have at least as much time at home as they do in Iraq. It's a disgrace how our government has treated the troops during this war.



I agree wholeheartedly with the decision Congress made. Here's why. If you make a mandate like that, it takes control away from the military itself to fight the war. My son's deployment was extended to 15 months right after he got back to Iraq from 2 weeks rand r. My fear with the bill is that to satisfy the requirement of equal time at home is that they may at some point not have enough in theatre. This could endanger those serving over there even more. I am never in favor of elected officials tying the hands of our military and this case is no different. The bill sounded caring on the surface but could have wreaked horrible consequences. Congress made the right decision.
azurewinds94
QUOTE (Bentcorner @ Feb 3 2008, 04:40 PM) *
I remember something that happened during the first Iraq war. The Desert Storm one. I was TDY back to Guam with guys from the 42nd BW in Loring, Maine. A lot of them were getting divorced from the wives back at Loring. They used to tell the married guys when being deployed to give their wife power of attorney. That way they could take care of anything while they were gone.

Well, many of these women were taking these power of attorney documents and just crucifying them in the divorce.

I think a lot of people don't realize just how terrible some of the marriages are in the military. Some of these marriages are just holding on by a thread and simply cannot take the constant deployments. Wifes either leave their husbands outright or run around on them when they are gone. It's not pretty.

I wouldn't be surprised if most of the suicides weren't so much from the war, but from marriages that became destroyed because of the war.


It's very common for wives to wait until their husbands ship out and then take everything. Now they are telling soldiers to give only limited power of attorney for this reason. There are wives who stand behind their men and hold down the homefront admirably and then there are those who can't wait to wipe everything out as soon as they can. Have seen this and heard from military attnys that this practice is very common. I am not saying some wives don't need money but many have no kids and are bleeding these guys dry. They often take everything...far more than they are legally entitled to simply because they can.
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