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Besides Rezko and Giannoulias, Obama could face questions about his relationship with William Ayers, a former member of the radical group the Weather Underground who is now a professor of education at the University of Illinois in Chicago. Ayers donated $200 in 2001 to Obama’s Illinois state Senate campaign and served with him from 1999 to 2002 on the board of the Woods Fund, an anti-poverty group.

A Series of Bombings

The Weather Underground carried out a series of bombings in the early 1970s — including the U.S. Capitol and the Pentagon. While Ayers was never prosecuted for those attacks, he told the New York Times in an interview published Sept. 11, 2001, that “I don’t regret setting bombs.”

Bill Burton, Obama’s spokesman, said Ayers “does not have a role on the campaign.” Ayers said he had no comment on his relationship with Obama.



I am old enough to remember William Ayers and Weather Underground. Make no mistake about it, they were terrorists. They advocated the violent overthrow of the U.S. government.

There seems to be a pattern of bad judgment by Obama. He goes in on a land deal with Tony Rezko even though he knows Rezko is a target of a Federal investigation. And his explanation? A mistake in judgment. Now this.

You can bet your ass this will come up in the general election.
SMan
A one time $200 campaign contribution and some time together on a philanthropic orgainzation's board seems pretty thin for such a sensationalistic thread title. At least this is starting to show me you're non-partisan with your conspiracy theories. wink.gif
Idiot
QUOTE (SMan @ Feb 15 2008, 12:13 PM) *
A one time $200 campaign contribution and some time together on a philanthropic orgainzation's board seems pretty thin for such a sensationalistic thread title. At least this is starting to show me you're non-partisan with your conspiracy theories. wink.gif


Thanks. I think. Obama supporters call me a racist. laugh.gif

Btw, Bloomberg News was the first to run this story, not some right-wing blog.
theBurninator
off topic, but this is as good a place as any...

in the martinsburg walmart parking lot yesterday ( don't ask...) i heard someone call him "ohbammer"

i "lol'd"
communityhagerstown
The Weatherman video is available at Netflix for anyone interested in an expanded reference. It was amazing how some hid in the suburbs, working and starting families. Their pasts hidden or marginalized until one was arrested. Some in that group went underground acting like normal working stiffs, volunteering and having a life. Some used fake names, others used their real names. It was odd, not your typical life history.
Agree: Ayers & others were bad and dangerous at that time in their life. No excuses for their actions.

Also agree w/ Sman. "A one time $200 campaign contribution and some time together on a philanthropic organization's board seems pretty thin."

Context, history, and Barack & their relationship, if there was any, need to be factored into any assessment. Context, history and understanding relationships factors into any candidate. Sadly, many have donations from some slimy sources. Hopefully, the media will provide equal coverage on the pros and cons in the donation closets of Hilary Clinton, John McCain, & perhaps Huckelbee.
SMan
Makes you wonder about our higher learning institutions when they will hire a guy like this as a professor.
Idiot
QUOTE (communityhagerstown @ Feb 15 2008, 01:03 PM) *
Hopefully, the media will provide equal coverage on the pros and cons in the donation closets of Hilary Clinton, John McCain, & perhaps Huckelbee.



The media has scrutinized Hillary Clinton for 15 years and John McCain for longer than that. They're just starting to look at Obama. Unfortunately up til now too many of them have been drinking the holy water.
communityhagerstown
QUOTE (Idiot @ Feb 15 2008, 09:01 PM) *
QUOTE (communityhagerstown @ Feb 15 2008, 01:03 PM) *
Hopefully, the media will provide equal coverage on the pros and cons in the donation closets of Hilary Clinton, John McCain, & perhaps Huckelbee.



The media has scrutinized Hillary Clinton for 15 years and John McCain for longer than that. They're just starting to look at Obama. Unfortunately up til now too many of them have been drinking the holy water.

Agree: There has been some review of candidates by virtue of the fact they are older and have been in public office longer. When you are in public office longer chances are there will be a longer paper trail. I hope the media and citizens continue to monitor and assess ALL candidates. I am not pro or against one or the other, not ready to close any doors. It may be wishful thinking, it would be helpfully to see all treated equally. I have not had a chance to sip the Kool-Aide. I also do not have an inside track. Everyone has their own perspective based on their individual research and willingness to keep informed. I also think we lost valuable motivation to dig, due to the election cycle starting way too early. At least for me, it has been too long, without much substance. The media has side stepped many issues with many candidates. I am excited seeing people r making more of an effort to be informed, no matter who they finally choose.
SMan
Their shady contributors are no less shady. It's that Obama is fresh meat.
hagopinion
QUOTE (SMan @ Feb 15 2008, 01:06 PM) *
Makes you wonder about our higher learning institutions when they will hire a guy like this as a professor.



Surely you can't be serious. 75% of the higher learning institutions is filled with Left wing fanatics, socialist, communist, Marxist, and radical Islamic. Independents and Republicans make up about 10-15% of the professors in most colleges and Universities. Very similar to the news media.
Idiot
What I don't like is the media giving certain individuals a pass. They did it with George W Bush for almost 6 years, for what reason I don't know. And they're doing it now with Barack Obama. In his case I think it's because they're afraid of being called racists.

It may sound strange but I think if he gets elected it will set race relations in this country back decades. Every time someone criticizes him they're going to be called a racist. It's already happened to me. I was recently called a racist for the first time in my life that I can remember. Why? Because I suggested that 90% of African Americans aren't voting for him because of his policies.

IMO he and his followers are just like GWB and his blind worshipers. I was called many things for my criticism of GWB, among them terrorist sympathizer. But somehow being called a racist is more personal. Maybe that's just me. Anyway, I don't like it and I don't like him. It looks like my presidential bashing days may not be over soon after all.

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hagopinion
QUOTE (Idiot @ Feb 16 2008, 10:40 AM) *
What I don't like is the media giving certain individuals a pass. They did it with George W Bush for almost 6 years, for what reason I don't know. And they're doing it now with Barack Obama. In his case I think it's because they're afraid of being called racists.

It may sound strange but I think if he gets elected it will set race relations in this country back decades. Every time someone criticizes him they're going to be called a racist. It's already happened to me. I was recently called a racist for the first time in my life that I can remember. Why? Because I suggested that 90% of African Americans aren't voting for him because of his policies.

IMO he and his followers are just like GWB and his blind worshipers. I was called many things for my criticism of GWB, among them terrorist sympathizer. But somehow being called a racist is more personal. Maybe that's just me. Anyway, I don't like it and I don't like him. It looks like my presidential bashing days may not be over soon after all.

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If Obama wins the Democratic nomination let the bashing begin. The media is left wing but they like to bash a winner. When Obama is the only one standing they will not have anything else to do but to bash him. The media has turned into just that; media. It no longer reports facts and news, it puts it own little spin on things and digs up as much dirt on people to get you to buy their paper, watch their news program, or go to thier website.
Idiot
I agree. The Fourth Estate is dead.
SMan
QUOTE (hagopinion @ Feb 16 2008, 10:27 AM) *
QUOTE (SMan @ Feb 15 2008, 01:06 PM) *
Makes you wonder about our higher learning institutions when they will hire a guy like this as a professor.



Surely you can't be serious. 75% of the higher learning institutions is filled with Left wing fanatics, socialist, communist, Marxist, and radical Islamic. Independents and Republicans make up about 10-15% of the professors in most colleges and Universities. Very similar to the news media.


Surely you have something to back that up. I don't doubt university professors are generally liberal. I've experienced a few myself. But you've crammed quite a bit of hyperbole into three sentences.
ChipStewart
QUOTE (hagopinion @ Feb 16 2008, 10:27 AM) *
Surely you can't be serious. 75% of the higher learning institutions is filled with Left wing fanatics, socialist, communist, Marxist, and radical Islamic. Independents and Republicans make up about 10-15% of the professors in most colleges and Universities. Very similar to the news media.

Where's you pull those figures from? Looks like rectal statistics to me.
hagopinion
http://www.academia.org/campus_reports/200...ber_2002_5.html

here is one I will send more later, busy cooking.

Just some highlights of the article:
-Liberal professors often outnumber conservatives by ten to one and sometimes by more than twenty to one on campus.

-Liberals outnumber conservatives 18 to one at Brown University. At Cornell University, the number is even higher, with liberals outnumbering conservatives more than 26 times. Penn State displayed a bit more balance, with the ratio of liberals to conservatives being six to one. Even the smallest disparity, at the University of Houston, had a ratio of three liberals to one conservative.

-Of the 166 professors examined at Cornell University, only six were conservatives, with no conservatives at all in the fields of history and sociology. There were likewise no conservatives in these fields at Brown University.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article....RTICLE_ID=30763

http://insidehighered.com/news/2005/12/21/politics

http://www.eagleforum.org/psr/2006/apr06/psrapr06.html
Idiot
QUOTE (ChipStewart @ Feb 16 2008, 01:02 PM) *
Looks like rectal statistics to me.



It's a prevalent right-wing talk radio meme.

So you're right... a rectal statistic. laugh.gif
Idiot
QUOTE (hagopinion @ Feb 16 2008, 01:40 PM) *
http://www.academia.org/campus_reports/200...ber_2002_5.html

here is one I will send more later, busy cooking.

Just some highlights of the article:
-Liberal professors often outnumber conservatives by ten to one and sometimes by more than twenty to one on campus.

-Liberals outnumber conservatives 18 to one at Brown University. At Cornell University, the number is even higher, with liberals outnumbering conservatives more than 26 times. Penn State displayed a bit more balance, with the ratio of liberals to conservatives being six to one. Even the smallest disparity, at the University of Houston, had a ratio of three liberals to one conservative.

-Of the 166 professors examined at Cornell University, only six were conservatives, with no conservatives at all in the fields of history and sociology. There were likewise no conservatives in these fields at Brown University.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article....RTICLE_ID=30763

http://insidehighered.com/news/2005/12/21/politics

http://www.eagleforum.org/psr/2006/apr06/psrapr06.html



And everyone knows that if someone is a liberal that automatically means they're also a left wing fanatic, socialist, communist, Marxist, or a radical Islamic.

Just like if I don't like Barack Obama I'm a racist. rolleyes.gif
Udmas
And I'm sure all these liberal professors would never let their political views influence their teaching. rolleyes.gif
ChipStewart
QUOTE (hagopinion @ Feb 16 2008, 01:40 PM) *


Interesting sources.

I see academia.org has a banner for "Conservative University" and sells books such as Ann Coulter’s Treason, Why the Left Hates America by Daniel Flynn and Preachers of Hate: Islam and the War on America by Kenneth Timmerman. It's very purpose is combating Title IX, multicultural education, and fighting “liberal” ideas that are offensive to right-wing students, and it's director, Dan Flynn, was recently singing the praises of Joe McCarthy and McCarthyism.

I went to worldnetdaily.com and found it even more interesting! I had no idea 9/11 was caused by God as punishment for our moral depravity, that United Airlines flight 93 was really shot down by our military, that Alexander Litvinenko was poisoned because he converted to Islam and was smuggling the polonium 210 to terrorist groups, that soy products make you gay, or that the U.S. is secretly merging with Mexico to form the "North American Union".

Eagleforum.org seems to be Phyllis Schaffly's theocratic forum for right-wing rantings and is mainly focused on anti-feminism.

I'm not denying your basic premise. Plenty of studies that show correlations between higher education levels and tendencies towards liberalism and democratic politics, or that those with higher degrees tend to vote "bluer". I don't even doubt that the majority of college professors lean left. I'd just like to see a more objective analysis of an liberal bias in post-secondary education. When you're as far the the right as your sources, even the center looks left.
Unbelieveable
Is this his full name? Barak Hussein Obama? Just a question.
ChipStewart
QUOTE (Unbelieveable @ Feb 16 2008, 03:31 PM) *
Is this his full name? Barak Hussein Obama? Just a question.

Yes ma'am, it is.
ChipStewart
QUOTE (Unbelieveable @ Feb 16 2008, 03:54 PM) *
QUOTE (ChipStewart @ Feb 16 2008, 03:52 PM) *
QUOTE (Unbelieveable @ Feb 16 2008, 03:31 PM) *
Is this his full name? Barak Hussein Obama? Just a question.

Yes ma'am, it is.

Where is he from?

Originally, Hawaii. Here's his Wikipedia entry:
Barack Obama
hagopinion
Seriously have you guys been on a college campus within the last 20 years? I can tell you that I have been taking classes on and off at different Colleges for the past 16 years and every professor I have had is left wing with the exception of one out of 25-30 classes. I have one of my Bachelors in Political science and I can tell you that every political science and sociology professor was extremely left wing. How do I know, that is the answer itself; I know because the teach it, they profess it, and they talk about how great it is to be a liberal and a progressive. A few preached Socialism and Marxism IN CLASS.

Do you see the news at Berkely with the Marines. That is not a class that is an entire university, maybe town. Did we forget that Columbia promoted and brought the Iranian president here.


Here is a Washington Post article:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/artic...-2005Mar28.html

Here is another from the New York Times:

http://query.nytimes.com/gst/fullpage.html...75AC0A9659C8B63


And here is one that you will probably enjoy and agree with on Why there should be liberal bias in Colleges:
http://mypc.press-citizen.com/blogs/reply....d_blogposts=570
Idiot
QUOTE (Unbelieveable @ Feb 16 2008, 04:23 PM) *
Idiot- I don't feel it's about his race, it's more about his connections to the Muslim World.



His parents were atheists. Or at least one of them was.
communityhagerstown
Obama a secret Muslim terrorist?

After writing a column Friday weighing Sen. Barack Obama’s presidential prospects, I heard from half a dozen concerned readers passing along an e-mail letter they’d received that claims Obama is a secret Muslim, with radical terrorist ties!
This would be funny if it weren’t so pathetic and scurrilous. The e-mail is just a small taste of what right-wing smear artists have in store for Obama in the coming campaign.
For the record, Obama has been a practicing Christian for at least two decades. Here’s a site that thoroughly debunks the e-mail charges. www.snopes.com/politics/obama/muslim.asp

A Washington Post story also finds no substance to them.
Posted by Randy Scholfield
By Phillip Brownlee, The Wichita Eagle
Idiot
Well, sure. He couldn't be president if he was an atheist or a Muslim. ph34r.gif
Udmas
QUOTE (communityhagerstown @ Feb 17 2008, 05:25 PM) *
Obama a secret Muslim terrorist?

The e-mail is just a small taste of what right-wing smear artists have in store for Obama in the coming campaign.


Yep, but only after the left-wing smear artists get done with him.

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Idiot
QUOTE (Udmas @ Feb 17 2008, 05:55 PM) *
Yep, but only after the left-wing smear artists get done with him.

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Ha! Those guys are chump change. The REAL swift-boating will start if and when he gets the nomination. laugh.gif
hagjohn
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PHISH
QUOTE (hagopinion @ Feb 16 2008, 04:26 PM) *
I can tell you that I have been taking classes on and off at different Colleges for the past 16 years and every professor I have had is left wing with the exception of one out of 25-30 classes.


Side Story....

I have a very close friend whose father was a professor at Penn State and eventually became the CEO at one of the branch campuses. He once told me about a conversation he had with a conservative. The guy had asked him why most college professors had a tendency towards the left when it came to politics. His answer was that most professors are skilled in research techniques, and therefore, usually make an informed decision based on extensive research and facts. The guy had no response and he was never asked that question again. laugh.gif
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