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“Hope is making a comeback and, let me tell you,
for the first time in my adult life, I am proud of my country."



We can all be proud because Barack won a few Democratic primaries.

Has Barack had anything to say about her remarks yet?

Wow, I guess stupidity has a new name… Michelle Obama. What a fabulous thing to say. I agree with Bent on this, this is the last thing the democratic party needs going into an election year.

:lol:Michelle + Bill % 1 cigar = McCain VICTORY! BWAAAAAAAAA!!!!!

The irony of it is....being single isn't that good for one's political image, either! What's a politician to do?

Perhaps we need a thread on all presidential spouses, Cindy McCain has an honorable past, yet like anyone, she too has hit some big speed bumps. They all have good and more challenging issues, it is being human. Since we are talking first spouses thought I would suggest a broader discussion at some point. Maybe it would be more appropriate after we learn who the final two will be. They all have a range of attributes, along with some excess baggage. That is life.

It is hard being married to political candidates, the stress is bipartisan.

Go ahead and start one, then we could discuss her past drug habit or any of her other problems.

This thread is about the disgusting remark Michelle made.

If this is the first time in her life that she's been proud of this country why is she still living here.

If MSM wasn't so in love with Obama this might have gotten a little more air time, but then again I don't get the feeling that the MSM is very proud of this country either.

BS. I just finished watching a several minute piece (on a 22 minute newscast) about this on the ABC Nightly News. Google News links has a who's who of "MSM' articles covering it.

BS. I googled it yesterday to get that link, and ABC and Bostonherald.com were the only 2 news sources out of the first 3 pages. Almost every major country ran it long before 95% of the US media. Every British media outlet had it up a couple hours after it happened.

The problem is the articles mention it along with other campaign news.

If she made this comment Monday why did it take until Wed. to make the nightly news?

Never mind I think the reason is they wanted to wait until after the election on Tue.

All the candidates and spouses have a hard road. I will hold back, do not want to spiral into a negative. That is not my goal. I am still deciding who to vote for. I am not loyal to one camp, I am having trouble deciding. So, I need to look at their positives first. I see all candidates equally questionable on many counts.

Just pointing out if the media or radio personalities are heck bent on negating Mrs Obama, we need to look at the entire field. I am not buying into a conspiracy theory. I will try to keep my mind open to what I hear, that is hard. I appreciate all the first spouses, it is a hard journey. If they have kids or a medical condition it is really stressful. I could not do it. Again, thanks to all who share so many views and opinions. This is a hard race, lots to consider. I need all the info I can get.

I am not blind or hard of hearing to different takes on the 4 main candidates. I am just not ready to write off anyone, firm up a conclusion, or ride a hate train. Maybe in a couple of months. Still assessing them all. I can appreciate those who have made up their minds. We all take different paths when researching. I am glad so many are making the effort.

You hit the nail on the head Ud. The US media has crowned this guy already. Anyone who can't see that doesn't really want to IMO.

Or maybe it's not as big of a deal as some of you feel it is?

This story was not buried until after election Tuesday. Look at the dates of the articles.

BS back at you. Here's the Google News link for "Michelle+Obama+country" with starting dates 2/19 and back. Dozens of pages of articles from various sources.

http://news.google.com/news?hl=en&resn...N&start=440

MSNBC finally asked a question.

And didn't get an answer.

The World According to Id.

I gave them the benefit of the doubt. I could've said they're just stupid.

Your tact is why we love you.

Chris Mathews: My eyes r scorched, I can't stand him & his pontificating. He is a pundit so I guess I should of expected his stance. He is an opinion man that has made some good & less stellar points. I see verbal gaffes with w/ many candidates. Kudos to Chris though, He has evolved from his days when he did some political work on Hilary's behalf. He is so pro Hilary but that is to be expected, he worked for her. Still do not think Mrs Obama is worse than the other spouses and their collective histories.

RE: Senator Obama and policy specifics
I did read the Obama story in The Post & Wash Times. And agree, the question was not answered. Obama needs to send out a different memo to his camp if they r going to do the talk/pundit shows. Gets frustrating w/ many candidates........ Wow, I did find someone who bugs me. (Guess I could jump on the negative bus, if it was for Chris Mattews.)

O.K., I know I should simply delete and walk away here, but I have seen the original comments, watched her make the remarks on T.V. as part of a larger and broader speach, and watched as well her follow up to clarify this "blasphemy". I agree what she said was certainly not put in the most eloquent of ways, and in my opinion appeared to be the wrong words, shot from the hip, outside of the written speach I am sure had to be prepared before presenting the remarks. Show me person involved in the political process that hasn't ever done that. Just ask Howard Dean, the screamer, or GW who got a C in economy but an A in taxes.

I think, and I may be completely naive here, but it may have read more appropriately if what she truly intended to mean was remarking on how the public is responding to a message of the glass is half full, instead our tendency to see it as half empty, a message that votes to matter, and the more the public has believed that in this election, the more have come out to vote, that a military hero and political maverick, a woman, and a person of color all with varying backgrounds can buck the trend of picking the candidate with the biggest name or personal connection and wealth...is a hopeful moment in what people always tlak about but never do...vote against establishments in process of authority that they have to some degree themselves created, then it would be hopeful and proud moment to experience. I do not know how old she is, but regardless I am certain in each of our adult lives we can recall moments of such pride... or me, it was the shuttle soaring safely into the sky after great tragedy only a few years before, Reagan holding fast against the Communism and isolationism, tearing down of the Berlin Wall, and severla other moments of such magnitude, even in my short adult life. I am certain those older on here have even greater memories of hope and pride in the will of the american people to direct its leaders in the manner that is truly representative of a contraversial opinion we know it necessary and paramount to weigh in upon in a mnner that preserves and ignites our uniquely american principals.

In watching the comments made and the follow up clarification, it would have been better understood and more appropriately stated if she would have said...

for the first time in my adult life I am proud of the hope I see represented in the will of the public to step forward and demand real change from our elected leaders...

that was how I interepreted the pride she was referring to in our country, and although I disagree that it is the first time for this and other generations, it may be the first time she is experiencing it, and expressing it, and I do agree this election has invoked different feelings in me presonally than I have held in previous presidential elections. Of coure, maybe I am simply both naive and getting older.

That's good enough for me.

She SHOULD have said a lot of things. She didn't. Because that wasn't what she was thinking. She said what she said because she thought everyone was going to fall all over themselves agreeing with her like they have with the Obama campaign since this election started.

HE, on the other hand, Says EVERYTHING he hears that he thinks sounds catchy.

Don't be hoodwinked.

You and I are just imagining that Ud.

That bit was pretty damn funny. I happened to be watching it live last night and knew the youtube would show up bright and early in one of these threads.

I never was able to understand why people respond to the media the way lemmings respond to a cliff, anyway. Each candidate we have has a voting record....what's wrong with simply looking at that? Or am I hopelessly naive?

I'm glad I didn't disappoint. I started searching for it this morning before I even made coffee. I was laughing so hard last night I woke my wife and ended up missing part of it.

I rarely watch SNL anymore. I guess I needed a comedy fix, I switched off Bill Maher the night before because of his obvious Obama bias.

Obama doesn't have a record to speak of and that, I think, is by design. He's done nothing but campaign for president ever since he was elected to the Senate. He's running on emotion, hope, and a promise of change, just like Bush did.

Call me old fashioned if you want to, but to me, that would be a serious reason not to support him. I was unaware that he didn't really have too much of a voting record.

I'm sure he's voted to dedicate a lot of Post Offices in Chicago, but can you name one issue he's publicly led on since he's been in the Senate? One cause he's championed? Was he one of the "gang of 14" who threatened to cross party lines in order to break the filibuster on judges? No. Was he a leader one way or the other on the biggest issue of 2007, immigration? No.

There have been 27 votes in the Senate this year. He's only voted 9 times. That's 33%.

I know, I know... he's another uniter... change... hope... yes we can... blah, blah blah.

No one knows anything about him because he hasn't done anything. If he wasn't running for president nobody would even know his name.

Where's SMan? He gave me grief when I provided a link to dkos.

Cut the man some slack. He is just as worthy of being President as the current one or any of the past ones. What's the big deal, if there is a problem with him the media will out him. Have trust in our institutions.

Congratulations to the Le Moyne College Dolphins Men's Lacrosse Team on winning
the championship!


There, I've done that too. And I didn't even have to be a senator.

From Redstate.



Barack Obama's ties with lobbyists


From the LA Times...




From the Globe...




I agree that they all do it but Obama is the only one running around and preaching about "change" and pretending he doesn't do it.

We had "swift boating", now maybe we'll have the "SNL effect" on candidates.

link - Media harder on Obama after SNL skit