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Hundreds Without Jobs, Have To Wait Weeks For Unemployment Checks Reported by: Erin Wolfe
Monday, Mar 17, 2008 @08:05pm EST
MARTINSBURG, WV - Instead of reporting to work Monday, hundreds of West Virginia residents went to the unemployment office in Berkeley County.

On Friday, the AB&C Group offices in Ranson and Martinsburg shut their doors - saying the company went bankrupt.

Now many of their former employees will go up to six weeks without any income.

It's part of taking the next step forward - hundreds of West Virginians filed for unemployment after they lost their jobs on Friday.

"When I came here this morning, there was a huge crowd, everybody was standing outside trying to find out what was going on. And they weren't really ready for us I don't think," says Angela Mitchell, who used to work in the Martinsburg office.

Nearly 400 people showed up to Workforce West Virginia, but they had to be split into smaller groups.

They were all hoping to find some way of getting an income until they can find another job.

"I've got a light bill to pay, I've got telephone, cable, and a mortgage payment, put food on the table,” says former employee Ron Herbaugh. “All I want to do is work everyday. How's a guy like me supposed to do this?"

Employees who didn't have direct deposit didn't get paid. Now they say they won't get their unemployment checks until April 10th. And by then, it might be too little, too late.

Susan Goin used to work in the Ranson office. She says, "By the time unemployment kicks in I'll probably lose my car, lose my house, lose everything I have worked so hard to build for the past 12 years that I've lived up here."

For those who found job stability at AB&C, they now face starting over.

"AB&C changed my life,” says Joseph Nolan. “I had never worked anywhere longer than a few months. I worked there three and a half years, so right now I'm at square one. I'm unemployed again and I have to worry about paying the rent."

Now there are signs employees are considering legal action. Some are meeting with a local attorney next week.

Those who had direct deposit say they've been closing their accounts because some employees say the funds have actually been withdrawn.

A former payroll employee tells NBC25 that Sovereign Bank will be taking the checks back out by midnight Monday.






this makes me sick. people have FAMILIES to care for... sure companies go bankrupt all the time, but they had to have some sort of heads up! you dont just go to work one day and say "whoops, we're busted" . why didnt they tell these poor people?? what are they supposed to do now?
txexpatriot
Unfortunately this happens with smaller type businesses...They usually are trying to salvage the company and don't want anyone to know how bad it is, and then you show up to work one day and there is a little white note on the door--CLOSED--and usually your paycheck bounces at the same time.
jelsey
I've said this before "Organize".

The Union really IS your friend.

Seventy-Four years of supporting the "little man" can't be ALL wrong.
jelsey
QUOTE (jelsey @ Mar 18 2008, 09:12 AM) *
I've said this before "Organize".

The Union really IS your friend.

Seventy-Four years of supporting the "little man" can't be ALL wrong.



...and that's just in the Federal Sector.

Agreed, sad situation for all concerned.

Question - how can the bank "take back" monies that have already been deposited in folks' direct deposit accounts?

and...

if folks yank their pay out, will they be responsible for RE-depositing it...they earned it, isn't it already theirs?
theBurninator
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if folks yank their pay out, will they be responsible for RE-depositing it...they earned it, isn't it already theirs?



omg, yeah! what if some people got paid, so they took that $ out to pay bills! will they bounce??
jelsey
QUOTE (Bentcorner @ Mar 18 2008, 09:38 AM) *
QUOTE (jelsey @ Mar 18 2008, 09:23 AM) *
Question - how can the bank "take back" monies that have already been deposited in folks' direct deposit accounts?

and...

if folks yank their pay out, will they be responsible for RE-depositing it...they earned it, isn't it already theirs?


Yes, they can do it. I've had it happen to me before. My old employer accidentally paid everyone twice. I didn't even notice it. Instead of taking out only one of the two payments, they yanked both so they could figure it out. They didn't even tell anyone. We all got our pay statements that showed our pay had been deposited in our checking accounts. Little did anyone know, the pay had been removed. They cut paper checks a few days latter, but a lot of folks had bounced checks.



WOW, that sucks.

Bent, did your employer eat the bounced check fee, or at least, apoligize?
txexpatriot
QUOTE (jelsey @ Mar 18 2008, 09:49 AM) *
QUOTE (Bentcorner @ Mar 18 2008, 09:38 AM) *
QUOTE (jelsey @ Mar 18 2008, 09:23 AM) *
Question - how can the bank "take back" monies that have already been deposited in folks' direct deposit accounts?

and...

if folks yank their pay out, will they be responsible for RE-depositing it...they earned it, isn't it already theirs?


Yes, they can do it. I've had it happen to me before. My old employer accidentally paid everyone twice. I didn't even notice it. Instead of taking out only one of the two payments, they yanked both so they could figure it out. They didn't even tell anyone. We all got our pay statements that showed our pay had been deposited in our checking accounts. Little did anyone know, the pay had been removed. They cut paper checks a few days latter, but a lot of folks had bounced checks.



WOW, that sucks.

Bent, did your employer eat the bounced check fee, or at least, apoligize?


Jels--the feds steal our money all the time w/o so much as a by your leave & we earned the money-its called FICA & income tax..
Snoopy
QUOTE (jelsey @ Mar 18 2008, 09:12 AM) *
I've said this before "Organize".

The Union really IS your friend.

Seventy-Four years of supporting the "little man" can't be ALL wrong.


Maybe not ALL wrong, but there is LOTS wrong with unions, and they have driven many companies to bankruptsy themselves. There was good reason for their rise, there is good reason for their current fall.

BTW -- I know a union member who recently had his company's checks bounce -- twice in a month -- and the union was zero help to the employees either time.

It sucks what this company did, and it sucks how government is once again failing its customers. But geez, if you have worked there 12 years and own a house and car and either do not have savings to tide you over a month or credit to do it, well, that's asking for trouble.
BMIC
If they had been unionized, chances are the company would have gone belly up long ago.

JMO.
PHISH
QUOTE (Bentcorner @ Mar 18 2008, 12:22 PM) *
If this country passed some real employee rights laws...


Like?
Patton
QUOTE (PHISH @ Mar 18 2008, 12:23 PM) *
QUOTE (Bentcorner @ Mar 18 2008, 12:22 PM) *
If this country passed some real employee rights laws...


Like?



This ought to be good. rolleyes.gif
txexpatriot
you mean you don't consider being a liar (lawyer) real work?
Patton
QUOTE (Bentcorner @ Mar 18 2008, 12:33 PM) *
QUOTE (PHISH @ Mar 18 2008, 12:23 PM) *
QUOTE (Bentcorner @ Mar 18 2008, 12:22 PM) *
If this country passed some real employee rights laws...


Like?

Like putting a cap on how many days in a row an employee can be forced to work. How many hours in a day an employee can be forced to work. How many hours off in between shifts. Basic stuff like that. Compared to other countries, the America worker has very little rights. Then again, it's not like we are represented in government. How many politicians in D.C. have ever actually worked for a living?



Easy solution to all of the above. Don't like your job. Go find another.
PHISH
QUOTE (Patton @ Mar 18 2008, 12:39 PM) *
Easy solution to all of the above. Don't like your job. Go find another.


It pains me to say it, but I agree with Patton. unsure.gif

If a company wants to keep employees and lower the rate of turnover, then they'll start taking care of their employees. If not, there are other, better companies to work for.
BMIC
QUOTE (Patton @ Mar 18 2008, 12:39 PM) *
Easy solution to all of the above. Don't like your job. Go find another.
Exactly.

Of course if you don't like employment "at-will" you're always free to try to negotiate an employment contract. Just realize that any contract is going to impose obligations on both employer AND employee.
Patton
QUOTE (PHISH @ Mar 18 2008, 12:41 PM) *
QUOTE (Patton @ Mar 18 2008, 12:39 PM) *
Easy solution to all of the above. Don't like your job. Go find another.


It pains me to say it, but I agree with Patton. unsure.gif

If a company wants to keep employees and lower the rate of turnover, then they'll start taking care of their employees. If not, there are other, better companies to work for.



Woohoo, someone mark this day on the calendar. Phish agrees with me. laugh.gif
txexpatriot
QUOTE (BMIC @ Mar 18 2008, 12:42 PM) *
QUOTE (Patton @ Mar 18 2008, 12:39 PM) *
Easy solution to all of the above. Don't like your job. Go find another.
Exactly.

Of course if you don't like employment "at-will" you're always free to try to negotiate an employment contract. Just realize that any contract is going to impose obligations on both employer AND employee.


I just did. Start work for new co. 3/31. Better hours, better pay... biggrin.gif
theBurninator
back to the story at the beginning of this thread: these people seemed to like their jobs well enough to work there, some for years... and they got no notice... a previous report said they were just told not to come back the next day, or ever... and they can't get unemp. for 6 weeks, and now their pay that they earned the last pay period is being taken BACK. that is a far cry from just shoddy workers rights. that is downright cruel. how are these people supposed to feed their families or manage their credit??
txexpatriot
Isn't it standard that youi don't get unemp for 6 wks? Which means, at any given time, you should have 1-2 mos in the bank to cov the bills until you get another job.

But, Burn--I agree, it bites the big one...probably why I never have much personal stuff at my work--I saw this happen when I was young and some of the employees could not get their 'stuff' back...
theBurninator
QUOTE (Bentcorner @ Mar 18 2008, 11:56 AM) *
QUOTE (theBurninator @ Mar 18 2008, 12:47 PM) *
back to the story at the beginning of this thread: these people seemed to like their jobs well enough to work there, some for years... and they got no notice... a previous report said they were just told not to come back the next day, or ever... and they can't get unemp. for 6 weeks, and now their pay that they earned the last pay period is being taken BACK. that is a far cry from shoddy workers rights. that is downright cruel. how are these people supposed to feed their families or manage their credit??

It has everything to do with just shoddy worker rights. Employers are able to get away with this because American workers have no rights.

i didnt say it had nothing to do with shoddy worker's rights. i said its MORE than just that, in this case... this doesnt just affect the workers, it affects families...

and does anyone know why it will take so long for them to get any unemployment?? when i knew a few people, including my husband, years ago, and a few friends just this past year who were able to get unemployment very soon after being laid off... if they applied the day they were laid off, they could collect a check the next pay period... i think the most anyone missed was one pay period... but maybe those are unique cases? also they were all in md... does it make a difference?
PHISH
QUOTE (Bentcorner @ Mar 18 2008, 12:54 PM) *
QUOTE (PHISH @ Mar 18 2008, 12:41 PM) *
If a company wants to keep employees and lower the rate of turnover, then they'll start taking care of their employees. If not, there are other, better companies to work for.

And that's the problem. Because American workers have no rights, they must either take whatever crap they get, form a union, or find another job.


Let me give you an example of why I think unions aren't good for much. I have a good friend who recently was laid off from her job in Hagerstown. A few years ago, the company she worked for went union. They call her back to work for one week (she knew it would only be for one week), and then she goes back to being unemployed the following week. For that one week's pay, her union dues for the month were taken out of her paycheck. What is the union doing for her right now? What good are they? They're taking money from her paycheck (that she needs to provide for her family) and she goes back to being unemployed. I just don't think the end justifies the means.
BMIC
Methinks Bent needs to start a small business and then come back and tell us all about how workers have no rights.

At the very least it will give him a chance to show the world how an employer OUGHT to treat their employees, for which he ought to expect to be rewarded richly in a free market economy since his workers will be willing to work harder out of gratitude for his beneficence.

I'm not defending the bankrupt company nor belittling the tragic effect on their former emloyees. I just think it has nothing to do with workers not having enough rights. Heck, the law says you're supposed to get paid for the work that you do, so the company is breaking the law by not paying workers, regardless.
theBurninator
QUOTE (Bentcorner @ Mar 18 2008, 12:24 PM) *
QUOTE (BMIC @ Mar 18 2008, 01:17 PM) *
I'm not defending the bankrupt company nor belittling the tragic effect on their former emloyees. I just think it has nothing to do with workers not having enough rights. Heck, the law says you're supposed to get paid for the work that you do, so the company is breaking the law by not paying workers, regardless.


Bankruptcy frees a company from paying it's debts. That includes any pay it owes it's employees.



ah i did not know that part. that explains some of this mess. thanks for posting that.
BMIC
Aye and reality says that money doesn't grow on trees. You can't pay anyone money that you don't have.

You also shouldn't allow people to perform work that you cannot afford to pay them for performing nor acquire goods that you cannot pay for. Which is why I suspect they had to turn people away before any more harm would be done.

But stuff happens and then what can you do? The company should have been much more up front and honest with their employees, absolutely. Then at least the eventual collapse of their house of cards would not have come as such a big surprise. But other than a lack of communication that plagues companies large and small, I see no real major violation of rights here. just a tragedy all the way around: a failed business, and everyone gets hurt to some extent.
Wrangler3
I know what it is like to find out how bad of shape your company is in by reading the newspaper and finding out publicly before the employer says anything. mad.gif The owners were really embarrassed to face the employees to tell us they are selling off the company because otherwise you dont have a job.


Is WV different? I thought it was 2 weeks waiting period here in PA when I got unemployment.
Snoopy
Hopefully the employees know where the guilty parties who screwed them live. It’s harder to screw people when you know that the screwees know where the screwer(s) live and might come a knockin’ on the door. It might make it a bit easier for them to get their back pay. But maybe not.

How about something I think we can all agree on? I hope everyone gets exactly what they deserve. cool.gif
siriunsun
QUOTE (theBurninator @ Mar 18 2008, 11:58 AM) *
QUOTE (Bentcorner @ Mar 18 2008, 11:56 AM) *
QUOTE (theBurninator @ Mar 18 2008, 12:47 PM) *
back to the story at the beginning of this thread: these people seemed to like their jobs well enough to work there, some for years... and they got no notice... a previous report said they were just told not to come back the next day, or ever... and they can't get unemp. for 6 weeks, and now their pay that they earned the last pay period is being taken BACK. that is a far cry from shoddy workers rights. that is downright cruel. how are these people supposed to feed their families or manage their credit??

It has everything to do with just shoddy worker rights. Employers are able to get away with this because American workers have no rights.

i didnt say it had nothing to do with shoddy worker's rights. i said its MORE than just that, in this case... this doesnt just affect the workers, it affects families...

and does anyone know why it will take so long for them to get any unemployment?? when i knew a few people, including my husband, years ago, and a few friends just this past year who were able to get unemployment very soon after being laid off... if they applied the day they were laid off, they could collect a check the next pay period... i think the most anyone missed was one pay period... but maybe those are unique cases? also they were all in md... does it make a difference?


I got unemployment in MD the very next pay period. I had no idea, either, that WV would take so long!
Patton
Normally I would make some snide WV comment, but I will defer to others for that.

Losing your life line, money, is tragic, for that there are no jokes.

Somehow trying to blame this on Employees not having rights, is sort of STUPID if you ask me, but I guess some folks just want to push their own agenda, without fear of reprecussions.

The employer was squarely at fault. Someone bit off more than they could chew. This happens in business, unfortunately.
siriunsun
Unfortunately, you are right, Patton. The only logical step the former employees can really take is to train for something else or come up with really good business plans and start their own businesses. It's too bad there is nothing that can be done about unemployment benefits not kicking in until the middle of April. That's the part of this whole thing that I find bogus.
communityhagerstown
Wake up call for workers in certain industries:
Just like when the tannery closed, reopened, and closed. Or when the tire company closed in Cumberland, or the RV company in Hancock.

Time for job training and career changes. Call HCC now, they have a variety of trades, certifications, IT, & trucking avenues to pursue. Alternatives, if a college track is not your goal.

Job Training and Retooling skills, sad but true. Certain types of industry and jobs are gone. Sadly, those days are over. It is scary but worth the time and investment to see if our skills match the market place. I am squeaking by.
communityhagerstown
Bent asks:

So what types of job training should people concentrate on?
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It has been partially covered by Voc Rehab, the State of Employment Office, and Continuing Education departments at colleges. Assessment, counseling, and breaking down logistics and costs all factor into career changes.

There are many websites and publications on retooling job skills for today's changing world. Maybe you have suggestions on resources. It is an individual decision. Information is a google away. I had mentioned possible community options and career tracks in an earlier post....................

Agree with Patton below, Depends on where you are in life.
I also have experienced some practical concerns. What is marketable & affordable within a commutable distance? It is probably prudent to factor in if you would be able to commute to certain jobs. That would focus training on jobs that actually exist in your area, and that can actually get to if hired. If relocating is not an issue, then you more choices.

Wish it was easy and one size fits all, but we a re all different. That is actually a good thing. Sadly, any change or upgrade requires effort and time but the personal research is worth the trouble. I have been happy with what I learned for my specific situation. It would be insensitive for me to suggest careers for people I do not know. I have enough work taking care of my own skill needs. Just know times are changing.
siriunsun
QUOTE (Bentcorner @ Mar 19 2008, 10:06 AM) *
QUOTE (communityhagerstown @ Mar 19 2008, 10:53 AM) *
Wake up call for workers in certain industries:
Just like when the tannery closed, reopened, and closed. Or when the tire company closed in Cumberland, or the RV company in Hancock.

Time for job training and career changes. Call HCC now, they have a variety of trades, certifications, IT, & trucking avenues to pursue. Alternatives, if a college track is not your goal.

Job Training and Retooling skills, sad but true. Certain types of industry and jobs are gone. Sadly, those days are over. It is scary but worth the time and investment to see if our skills match the market place. I am squeaking by.


So what types of job training should people concentrate on?



Looking at the Hagerstown area and Jefferson and Berkeley Counties, I would say becoming strippers and chipendale dancers. (haha.....that was just for you, Bent; I couldn't stop myself laugh.gif ......)

Just look at whatever type of business is successful in whatever area you are in and do what you need to do to become successful in it. Hard to do, sometimes.......but who wants to be permanantly without a paycheck?
Patton
Much depends on where you are in life and what you want to do with it.
communityhagerstown
For those pursuing a college or graduate degree it is a different discussion. Assessment of abilities, needs, and interests would be key for anyone caught in the "What do I do now?" phase of employment.

For those seeking a short term solution, some contiuing education or certification programs are applicable. There is a wider list on the HCC and Kaplan websites.

The IT field was also mentioned, many are older students returning to school to reinvent themselves after being laid off. Doing it ahead of time is a lot less painful. It usually starts with assessment. Determine their preferences, abilities, and life circumstances. I know some 40 yr olds going into areas of IT like programing. There are also less technical side areas like medical coding & transcription. In health care, without a college degree, some have bumped up the salary by training for the higher tech fields like radiology, ultrasound tech, or lab tech fields. They also have a LPN and RN program. These pay more than a nurses aide position. Salaries for an LPN or RN are good.....................
Again, it would depend on the person's resources, abilities, and family situation.

Hagerstown Community College
Career & Job Placement Center
Student Center
11400 Robinwood Drive
Hagerstown, MD 21742
Telephone: 301-790-2800, Extension 260
Fax: 301-393-3693

MD Dept Office for Employment Services/ http://www.dllr.state.md.us/employment/jobserv.html

MD Office for Employment/Training for those with Disabilities....www.dors.state.md.us
PHISH
QUOTE (Bentcorner @ Mar 19 2008, 12:59 PM) *
The secret is to find a career that can't be outsourced.


Truckdriving wink.gif
communityhagerstown
[quote name='Bentcorner' date='Mar 19 2008, 12:59 PM' post='102860']
Programing? I know of no other career field that has been hit harder by out sourcing to India then programmers. As far as medical coding & transcription is concerned, those jobs pay a little over minimum wage. To become a nurse or x-ray tech, you need a degree.

The secret is to find a career that can't be outsourced.
.......................................

OK, I listed multiple options, I am not IT oriented. Maybe I made a mistake on that one count. I work with people.

You retrieve the list from the Office of assessment and employment counseling. I am sure there are many other areas listed that are marketable. I am at my "job" and can not research. My point, there are some areas that are passe and outdated. Like the lady who lives across the street from me. She was laid off from the Bow factory. She made those bows that stick on packages, 8 hours a day, five days a week, for years. She went back to school and is in the allied health-care field. She is doing well financially, has a short commute, and not surprisingly is A LOT happier.....................It was hard but she changed it up dramatically.

There are programs in allied health & in the tech area that do not require a degree, and pay well. You do not need a degree. A degree is better but not the end of the world. I work side by side these people. I am in healthcare and social services with these people. One is next to me now. That is all, back to work for me.

There are options, you imply it is hopeless. When the factory closes people have to have hope and options. Education may be the route for some. Not providing any suggestions implies its hopeless. I certainly would not tell them its over, crawl into a hole........................Not everyone has the abilities that some others have. Not everyone has the option to be in a high paying job that is completely safe from outsourcing. KUDOS to those who have it all made. Some are not as fortunate. I work with some who have had a difficult path.
coma
QUOTE (Bentcorner @ Mar 19 2008, 12:59 PM) *
Programing? I know of no other career field that has been hit harder by out sourcing to India then programmers. As far as medical coding & transcription is concerned, those jobs pay a little over minimum wage. To become a nurse or x-ray tech, you need a degree.

This is no longer true. Five years ago programming jobs were going overseas, but it didn't take long for US companies to realize that the talent pool of programmers in the US was better than anywhere else in the world. Many companies also faced many hurdles working with overseas firms, as well as facing debilitating production issues. In the long run, it ended up costing many companies more money. With all that said, it is certainly a good (and fun) field to go into if you're the puzzle-solving type and don't have one of those cool CSI jobs. biggrin.gif
BMIC
Learn how to drive a forklift, and start lifting weights. In this general area the healthiest industry seems to be warehousing.
theBurninator
update:

QUOTE
Laid Off Workers File Class Action Lawsuit
Reported by: Erin Wolfe

Wednesday, Mar 19, 2008 @12:21pm EST

Unemployment12008-03-17-1205798847.jpgBERKELEY COUNTY, WV - Lawyers in Martinsburg have filed a class action lawsuit on behalf of the approximately 400 workers who lost their job due to the plant closing last week at AB&C.

"These workers were not paid for the last few weeks worked in violation of West Virginia’s Wage Payment & Collection Act," Attorney Joseph Ferretti said in a press release.

The AB&C Group companies in Martinsburg and Charles Town were shut down Friday.

Employees say they were told to pack up their belongings because the company had gone bankrupt.

Employees who didn't have direct deposit say they haven't been paid for three weeks.

"We live paycheck to paycheck, how are we supposed to pay our bills? How are we supposed to feed our children? Get their medicine? Pay our rent?" one worker told NBC25 on Friday.

Employees believe the parent company, BlueSky Brands, is to blame for the businesses shutting down.

Company officials have not responded to NBC25's requests for comment.
BMIC
Best of luck to them! If there's any money left to be given, I agree it absolutely should go first to pay the people who are owed back wages, and if the owners have to work overtime at their new jobs at McDonald's to pay them, then I say make them do so.
communityhagerstown
QUOTE (coma @ Mar 19 2008, 02:35 PM) *
QUOTE (Bentcorner @ Mar 19 2008, 12:59 PM) *
Programing? I know of no other career field that has been hit harder by out sourcing to India then programmers. As far as medical coding & transcription is concerned, those jobs pay a little over minimum wage. To become a nurse or x-ray tech, you need a degree.

This is no longer true. Five years ago programming jobs were going overseas, but it didn't take long for US companies to realize that the talent pool of programmers in the US was better than anywhere else in the world. Many companies also faced many hurdles working with overseas firms, as well as facing debilitating production issues. In the long run, it ended up costing many companies more money. With all that said, it is certainly a good (and fun) field to go into if you're the puzzle-solving type and don't have one of those cool CSI jobs. biggrin.gif



Thank you cool.gif biggrin.gif
txexpatriot
I figure there is no cash left in the company-so who are they going to sue? Sounds like a reason for some shysters liars to get $ from the poor unemployed lemmings..

Creditors will be first in line.
Snoopy
I think in lotsa class action suits the lawyers are the only ones getting $ to speak of. Hopefully this one will be different.

I've had paychecks bounce...no fun. mad.gif
Wrangler3
QUOTE (Bentcorner @ Mar 19 2008, 12:59 PM) *
Programing? I know of no other career field that has been hit harder by out sourcing to India then programmers. As far as medical coding & transcription is concerned, those jobs pay a little over minimum wage. To become a nurse or x-ray tech, you need a degree.

The secret is to find a career that can't be outsourced.




Yeah helping my g/f's son what to do at Vo-Tech has been alittle challanging. But having a few computer certifications I can help point him in a better direction on what's important. Programming was one of his options. But like bent said anyone can program for the most part. But networks usually need fixed onsite.
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