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BMIC
The National Education Association has grown even more bold than in the past in its open support of the abortion industry and its activists. How on earth that relates to the members teachers' goals to properly educate our communities' children is beyond me, and how they can assume that all of their members support such actions is REALLY a major controversy. To wit:

"...The National Education Association (NEA), found a new way to support the abortion cause by playing host to some of the movement's heaviest hitters at its headquarters last week. The NEA donated its facilities to an annual conference of the National Council of Women's Organization, a far-left group that counts among its members NOW, Planned Parenthood, NARAL, the National Abortion Federation, the Center for Reproductive Freedom, and others.

Equally shocking, the NEA shared its stage with notorious abortionist George Tiller, who has been charged with performing almost 20 illegal late-term abortions. Tiller, a target of Phill Kline's investigations, was honored with a standing ovation and given an opportunity to showcase photos of his gruesome work. To cap off his appearance, the Feminist Majority Foundation announced that it would devote its resources to keeping Tiller's Kansas clinic open.

Since the NEA's role in the event became public, the group has struggled to defend itself. When asked by pro-life members why it serves as a revolving door for abortion activists, one NEA official said that it has always allowed "likeminded groups" to use the building."

So it's clear: the NEA considers itself to be of like mind with the criminal George Tiller and others who not only promote abortion, but support violating the few legal limits that exist.

Okay, so NEA isn't the first labor union to take part in political activities that must surely run against the deeply held moral and religious beliefs of a significant percentage of their members. But can any Wash Co. NEA members tell me: do you have the option of withholding a portion of your dues so that they're not spent on promoting abortion and other offensive activities? How free are you to choose to refuse to join NEA? Do you lose any benefits or will the county refuse to hire you?
Dodge Man
Very Good BMIC
I too would like to know this..... I'm a member of the local union as well and I get a ton of emails about NEA stuff, Frankly I get sick of it and delete them before reading them. I've sent in many request to find out how to get a new rep for our transportation division because the one we have is not worth a rat's ass. She's a lier at best and starts vindictive rumor's all the time, and a huge cover up person playing the part of Ms. Innocent
Ithlilian
Part of the portfolio requirements for Frostburg is to show evidence of being a member of an organization that promotes education. I had to look at the NEA website before for a seminar class and saw that it was clearly democrat based, therefore, not interested in it at all. I doubt you can choose where your dues go, however, but I'm not sure. Interesting.
SMan
I'm not a teacher, but my union lets you request a refund on the small amount of your dues that goes toward political campaigns. When I found out the union was backing Hillary, I asked my union big wigs for the paperwork to fill out such a request. I was told to find it myself. Union yes! dry.gif
siriunsun
One thing I find almost consistantly about conservative political types who try to limit a woman's reproductive freedom, BMIC, is that these types believe in curtailing rights about reproduction but NOT in reducing the market for abortion in the first place. If each conservative, insecure, woman-hating male would just worry about his own morals and what his own children are doing, I'll bet there would not be enough of a need for abortion to make it such a big issue, either for the left wing, or the right wing groups.
BMIC
QUOTE (siriunsun @ Mar 30 2008, 11:09 AM) *
... limit a woman's reproductive freedom, BMIC ... but NOT in reducing the market for abortion in the first place. If each conservative, insecure, woman-hating male ...


And how do you describe the WOMEN's GROUPs who are opposed to murdering unborn children? Oh - I know - you pretend they don't exist, since in your version of reality, the only people who object to killing the unborn are woman-hating men.

By the way, let's get real: it's not reproductive freedom, it's taking a life. Your own child's life at that. You believe that you should have the freedom to choose your convenience and comfort over the life of your baby.

And oh yeah - contrary to your ridiculous man-hating temper tantrum, conservatives (male and female alike) are all about trying to limit the market for abortion. We believe in promoting the most effective means of birth control first - abstinence - and not pretending that condoms are anywhere near as effective as the condom makers and abortion profiteers like PP try to dupe kids into believing. You doubtless have no problem with telling kids to "just say no" when it comes to drugs, but you don't believe the same message is worth sending when it comes to sex? No. You've been taken in by the multi-million dollar Abortion Industry. The bloodiest, most evil and despicable political force in the history of the United States.

P.S. - Way to go. This is an excellent example of the kind of response that's totally inapproriate in an internet forum: attacking the source and calling them names instead of debating the issue actually presented.
BMIC
QUOTE (SMan @ Mar 30 2008, 09:23 AM) *
I'm not a teacher, but my union lets you request a refund on the small amount of your dues that goes toward political campaigns.

That's great. I knew there were some that do that, and was wondering if NEA did or perhaps they don't because membership in NEA is never compulsory. In some cases laws have been passed, or at least attempted to force unions to give their members the freedom to opt out of supporting political activism in that manner. It makes sense regardless of where you stand on a particular issue, to allow you to withhold support from those things which violates your deeply held beliefs.

Groups do this all of the time, unfortunately. When I was diagnosed with diabetes last year, I decided to join the American Diabetes Association because they had such excellent information and other support resources. Then over the course of the year I noticed them constantly updating the members of their wholehearted efforts ON OUR BEHALF to promote the removal of all restrictions on human embryonic stem cell research. They didn't even pretend to give lip service to the fact that some of their members must surely find at least some kinds of such research morally objectionable. So at the end of the year, I let my membership expire. When they called me to ask why I didn't renew, I told them flat out that I could not support their efforts to promote something that violated my personal religious beliefs. As I said, I thought they did a fine job of providing information and support to those with diabetes, but it was a shame that they felt the need to go beyond that and take such a one-sided view of a very controversial moral issue.
siriunsun
QUOTE (BMIC @ Mar 30 2008, 11:30 AM) *
QUOTE (siriunsun @ Mar 30 2008, 11:09 AM) *
... limit a woman's reproductive freedom, BMIC ... but NOT in reducing the market for abortion in the first place. If each conservative, insecure, woman-hating male ...


And how do you describe the WOMEN's GROUPs who are opposed to murdering unborn children? Oh - I know - you pretend they don't exist, since in your version of reality, the only people who object to killing the unborn are woman-hating men.

By the way, let's get real: it's not reproductive freedom, it's taking a life. Your own child's life at that. You believe that you should have the freedom to choose your convenience and comfort over the life of your baby.

And oh yeah - conservatives are all about trying to limit the market for abortion. We believe in promoting the most effective means of birth control first - abstinence - and not pretending that condoms are anywhere near as effective as the condom makers and abortion profiteers like PP try to dupe kids into believing. You doubtless have no problem with telling kids to "just say no" when it comes to drugs, but you don't believe the same message is worth sending when it comes to sex? No. You've been taken in by the multi-million dollar Abortion Industry. The bloodiest, most evil and despicable political force in the history of the United States.



Interesting......"your own child's life at that........" Would you be suggesting that I put my own child ahead of another child's life? It would be only human, but an interesting response from you, nonetheless.

You are very, very right. Abstinance IS the best contraceptive. As a woman who grew up in this society and was once a young girl among conservative males, let me assure you that in NO way is abstinance encouraged. Because christianity was frowned upon by my family by the time I was in my teens, I went to church on the sly. I was no one's daughter there, and no one special, and the youth group leader thought it was ok to reach for my bustline one evening at church. The church pastor wanted to sweep it under the rug and never have it mentioned again, for the sake of the man's family. HIS wife and children were simply more important than yours truly. This church is not far from you; it is in Frederick County, MD. So you see, personal experience tells me that the girl I was then and the woman I am now was not important to the men in that conservative church. I was a goody-two-shoes as a kid, too. My family also had issues with me because of that, but that is another post, in another thread. Had the youth pastor forced himself on me and had I gotton pregnant, I am wondering how this "abortion is murder" notion would have played out. Who would have protected his special family from the truth then? Start supporting morals, Dude. And try supporting those who also support morals. Quit condemning those who don't do everything "your way".
siriunsun
Oh....one thing I forgot to tell you, BMIC; death is the ultimate result of conception.
Ithlilian
QUOTE (BMIC @ Mar 30 2008, 12:42 PM) *
Groups do this all of the time, unfortunately. When I was diagnosed with diabetes last year, I decided to join the American Diabetes Association because they had such excellent information and other support resources. Then over the course of the year I noticed them constantly updating the members of their wholehearted efforts ON OUR BEHALF to promote the removal of all restrictions on human embryonic stem cell research. They didn't even pretend to give lip service to the fact that some of their members must surely find at least some kinds of such research morally objectionable. So at the end of the year, I let my membership expire. When they called me to ask why I didn't renew, I told them flat out that I could not support their efforts to promote something that violated my personal religious beliefs. As I said, I thought they did a fine job of providing information and support to those with diabetes, but it was a shame that they felt the need to go beyond that and take such a one-sided view of a very controversial moral issue.


Wow I didn't realize unions/organizations would support issues unrelated to their cause. I guess I shouldn't be surprised. I wonder how many people that join organizations take the time to look into other issues that the group supports, it's great that you did biggrin.gif
BMIC
QUOTE (Ithlilian @ Mar 30 2008, 01:19 PM) *
I wonder how many people that join organizations take the time to look into other issues that the group supports, it's great that you did biggrin.gif

I wish I could say I was truly that diligent. But in this case I couldn't help but notice all of the e-mail alerts and other mailngs they sent me urging me to support their effort at what I believed to be an immoral cause. In the case of the ADA and embryonic stem cell research I can see wy they make the connection. However, they simply assumed that all of their members would agree with them on the issue, and I'm sorry but I didn't see anywhere that it said pro-life people should not join.
txexpatriot
Yea, you need to be extra vigilant about any 'group' you join--they are all political.

AARP supports many things that those who gladly sign on have no idea about.

QUOTE
When the new coverage becomes available next year, AARP will be the largest provider of private insurance to Medicare recipients.
“AARP will not be perceived as a truly independent advocate on Medicare if it’s making hefty profits by selling insurance products that provide Medicare coverage,” Ms. Stein said. “AARP’s role in this market could give a big boost to the privatization of Medicare.”

AARP has opposed efforts to privatize Medicare or Social Security.


They also sell 'lifetime memberships' at age fifty that expire when you turn 65..
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