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A married man who used to be a woman says that he is pregnant and will give birth to a baby girl in July.

“How does it feel to be a pregnant man? Incredible,” wrote Thomas Beatie, 34, from the Pacific North West of the United States, in the latest issue of the gay magazine The Advocate.

“Despite the fact that my belly is growing with a new life inside me, I am stable and confident being the man that I am.”

Mr Beatie was born female, named Tracy Lagondino, but had gender reassignment surgery and is now legally male and married to a woman.

He decided to carry a baby for his wife, Nancy, because she had a hysterectomy years ago. He was able to get pregnant because he kept his female organs when he switched genders.

“Sterilisation is not a requirement for sex reassignment, so I decided to have chest reconstruction and testosterone therapy but kept my reproductive rights,” he writes. “Wanting to have a biological child is neither a male nor female desire but a human desire.” The couple, who have been together for ten years, run a custom screenprinting business in Bend, Oregon, where neighbours do not know that Mr Beatie was once a woman.

“Our desire to work hard, buy our first home and start a family was nothing out of the ordinary. That is, until we decided that I would carry our child,” he wrote.

Before becoming pregnant, Mr Beatie stopped the testosterone injections he was receiving as part of his gender reassignment. “It had been roughly eight years since I had my last menstrual cycle so this wasn’t a decision that I took lightly. My body regulated itself after about four months and I didn’t have to take any exogenous oestrogen, progesterone or fertility drugs to aid my pregnancy,” he wrote.

The couple bought donor vials from a cryogenic sperm bank and, facing resistance and prejudice from doctors, resorted to home insemination. “Doctors have discriminated against us, turning us away due to their religious beliefs. Healthcare professionals have refused to call me by a male pronoun or recognise Nancy as my wife. Receptionists have laughed at us. Friends and family have been unsupportive; most of Nancy’s family doesn’t even know I’m transgender,” he said.

Mr Beatie’s first successful insemination ended in a life-threatening ectopic pregnancy with triplets that required surgery, resulting in the loss of all his embryos and his right Fallopian tube. “When my brother found out about my loss, he said, ‘It’s a good thing that happened. Who knows what kind of monster it would have been?’,” he wrote.

The second pregnancy resulted in a baby girl who is due to be born on July 3. “I will be my daughter’s father, and Nancy will be her mother. We will be a family,” he wrote.

Mr Beatie would not be the first transgender man to give birth, according to Lisa Masterson, an obstetrician at Cedars-Sinai Medical Centre in Los Angeles.

“A transgender man can be pregnant because he has the same organs as a woman,” Dr Masterson said on the ABC Good Morning America show.

Dr Masterson said, however, that transgendered men face special health risks resulting from their sex change. “It’s really important that he doesn’t take any testosterone early on in the pregnancy and later on,” she said. “That can cause male-type characteristics in the female baby.”

Some of the Beaties’ neighbours in Bend voiced scepticism about the pregnancy claim. One resident, Josh Love, told ABC: “I couldn’t say that he looks pregnant. I can stick my stomach out and almost make it look like that. I think it’s kind of bizarre. I don’t know if I believe it or not.”

The Advocate said it had confirmed the story with Mr Beatie’s doctor.

Udmas
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BMIC
It's the latest internet sensation. "It" was even on Oprah. dry.gif
Ithlilian
Oh geez I have to hear about this...again?

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SunshineAnderson
I saw this on Oprah too. Funny how the couple were trying to keep everything a secret from their neighbors but then go on national television to tell their story!!!!


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Dodge Man
Ok so I'm stupid. Does that make the two of them Technically, lesbian's? Or does "IT" have a weenie? And if so I would hope and pray "IT" has a C-Section. OMG Hell no!!!!! That's why I love woman so much. My wife say's he/IT still has all his female part's. Either way it's still YUK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Poor kid. Can you imagine?
"Well Johnny tell me about your parent's?"
Well My Dad gave birth to me, so that makes him my mom and my other mom is my mom but my mom is my Dad, and they nicknamed me Artie,,, Short for artificial.
Sorry just a sick thought to have this happen. Let's change me into a woman so that I can father my own child.
Heather
You guys are incredibly insensitive.

Dodge Man, you are, "yuk." You may biologically be able to change into a woman but it would be easier for you to revert back to an amoeba. tongue.gif
txexpatriot
okay-so the female 'it' did it on purpose--and yes, she is still a female. As soon as the hormones kicked back in, she began being able to concieve..
no science miracle here.

just stupidity. two women who are 'married'. and wanted 15 min of fame. (and to shove it in their neighbor's faces)
PandorasBox
I kinda "get" the whole transgender issue - glad I have never had to deal with the emotional baggage that I am sure comes along with everything else... But to go through the whole process of atrificial insemination, hormone therapy, etc - just seems crazy. Not to mention as the child gets older... How do you explain? So the pregnant male/female carries the child because the biological female had a hysterectomy... Why? How about adoption? I would assume that the carrier of the child (I don't know if I should refer to as father, mother, male, female blink.gif ) would have to have a c-section UNLESS this person has not had the FULL gender re-assignment. Guess that would be like describing a man who would pass a very, very, VERY large kidney stone! laugh.gif But I feel for the child... as this little girl growns up not only is she going to be very confused for a long time, I am sure she will be picked on and teased relentlessly. I would like to believe, in some sick way, that their beliefs in conceiving this way are very strong - but then why go public? Does sound like there are other motives... But then again, the cost of artificial insemination, sperm donors, hormone therapy let alone gender re-assignment is very expensive, I'm sure. Bottom line - I just don't find anything right with this...
PHISH
QUOTE (PandorasBox @ Apr 8 2008, 08:45 AM) *
I am sure she will be picked on and teased relentlessly.


I hope not. I would like to have better faith in society and that hopefully we will progress to where we can accept people from all types of different "families." Just because someone does not come from the traditional idea of a family (one mother and one father), does not mean it warrants being picked on.
PandorasBox
QUOTE (PHISH @ Apr 8 2008, 10:52 AM) *
QUOTE (PandorasBox @ Apr 8 2008, 08:45 AM) *
I am sure she will be picked on and teased relentlessly.


I hope not. I would like to have better faith in society and that hopefully we will progress to where we can accept people from all types of different "families." Just because someone does not come from the traditional idea of a family (one mother and one father), does not mean it warrants being picked on.


I would hope not, also. However, in this society the ignorance of many parents unfortunately flow down to their children. I also agree and support many different types of families. As long as the child is loved, wanted and well cared for. But - in this instance, my main problem is not that they would like to have a child, but they way they are going about it. If you truly want to be a man because that is what you feel that you are on the inside, then why go through the process of reversing all of the steps you have taken to get to that point and proceed with a process that is unnatural and not obtainable by biological males? There are many, many unwated children in this world who would love to be brought into a loving family just waiting and hoping for the opportunity.
Heather
QUOTE (txexpatriot @ Apr 8 2008, 08:11 AM) *
okay-so the female 'it' did it on purpose--and yes, she is still a female. As soon as the hormones kicked back in, she began being able to concieve..
no science miracle here.

just stupidity. two women who are 'married'. and wanted 15 min of fame. (and to shove it in their neighbor's faces)

The hate is just eating you alive. I love it. biggrin.gif
txexpatriot
QUOTE (Heather @ Apr 8 2008, 12:42 PM) *
QUOTE (txexpatriot @ Apr 8 2008, 08:11 AM) *
okay-so the female 'it' did it on purpose--and yes, she is still a female. As soon as the hormones kicked back in, she began being able to concieve..
no science miracle here.

just stupidity. two women who are 'married'. and wanted 15 min of fame. (and to shove it in their neighbor's faces)

The hate is just eating you alive. I love it. biggrin.gif


I do not hate any of these people. I just find it a non-event. Sort of like saying there is global warming and then not producing any evidence to support it. Or we can clone life--oh, no, not really...
SMan
One other major topic around here comes to mind where people assert a belief as fact, but offer no evidence in support. But we've been over that topic many, many times. rolleyes.gif

edit - well looky at that. The topic I had in mind actually was bumped today.
Idiot
QUOTE (SMan @ Apr 8 2008, 01:38 PM) *
One other major topic around here comes to mind where people assert a belief as fact, but offer no evidence in support. But we've been over that topic many, many times. rolleyes.gif

edit - well looky at that. The topic I had in mind actually was bumped today.



Only one?
BMIC
I get it too. It's a mental illness. See DSM-IV. It should be met with greater sensitivity, absolutely. It shouldn't be indulged, as it was by whichever so-called "medical professionals" indulged this person's sickness by giving them hormones. But making fun of it, however tempting, does make one appear a bit childish. The real shame is that so many "rights" groups want to coddle this person and worsen her sickness - or even worse use her to further their political and social agendas as Oprah did - rather than helping her find wellness. Worse still that it has hit the internet and become a veritable freak show.
heyceeo
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Dodge Man
QUOTE (Heather @ Apr 7 2008, 10:16 PM) *
You guys are incredibly insensitive.

Dodge Man, you are, "yuk." You may biologically be able to change into a woman but it would be easier for you to revert back to an amoeba. tongue.gif

Heather
Have no worries I have no desire to ever think of changing. I'm too much into woman to ever worry about that ok. Sorry I grossed you out.
Ithlilian
I'm going to second the post that said it's a non-issue and not an important story. I heard on the radio that the woman (the pregnant person's wife/lover/whatever) was actually a guy who got surgery to become a woman also. But don't correct me, because I'm not interested, just throwing that out there.
PandorasBox
Update on the pregnant man...

4 Weeks to go...

Patton
Why oh why did you do this.

God still loves this person, all God asks is that this person turn from sin and accept Jesus Christ as his personal Lord and Savior.

That is all.
jelsey
QUOTE (PandorasBox @ Jun 9 2008, 10:26 AM) *
Update on the pregnant man...

4 Weeks to go...




Is it me, or does that baby-bump look PhotoShopped?

I've carried 3 times, once with twins - and my baby-BUMP was never a baby-BALL.

Those "cut off my boobs" scars are nice too.

Oh well, different strokes for different folks.

Hope the baby is born healthy, that's the best we can hope for, I guess. huh.gif
SMan
A lady in my office has been pregnant a couple times since we started working together and each time it just looks like she has a basketball shoved under her shirt. No noticeable size increase at any other place on her body.
PandorasBox
Ah... One of "those"... I've seen the basketball carriers many times, but not me - I carried mine everywhere! Ugh!
Princess
I guess my prayer is that this child does not go through life being ridiculed over something he or she had no control over. The child had no say so in his/ hers conception.
siriunsun
I am a so-called "basketball carrier", and I never looked like that. I say the photo isn't for real.
Patton
In more ways than one, sister. biggrin.gif
Heather
If this is a "find the photoshop" pic I'm all over the eyebrows, bitch they aint yours.
PandorasBox
Well, it looks like the happy day arrived! But it states in the article that "Mr." Beatie had the baby through natural birth... blink.gif Isn't HE a true HE through gender reassignment?!?!? blink.gif

It's a Girl!
PHISH
QUOTE (PandorasBox @ Jul 10 2008, 11:10 AM) *
Isn't HE a true HE through gender reassignment?!?!? blink.gif



From the article you posted....

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He decided to get pregnant because his wife had had a hysterectomy. He was able to conceive because he kept his female organs when he switched genders.

To conceive, Mr Beatie stopped the bimonthly testosterone injections he was receiving as part of his sex change.

The couple bought anonymous donor vials from a sperm bank and, struggling to find a doctor willing to help them, resorted to home insemination with a syringe bought from a vet that is typically used to feed birds.

I actually opted not to do anything to my reproductive organs because I wanted to have a child one day. I see pregnancy as a process and it doesn’t define who I am,” Mr Beatie told the TV talk-show host Oprah Winfrey in April. “I feel it’s not a male or female desire to have a child. It’s a human need. I’m a person and I have the right to have a biological child,” he said.
PandorasBox
I know that he kept all his female organs from previous articles... If he hadn't, obvisouly he would not have been able to carry a child. I was referring to the natural childbirth... In past articles, it alluded to the fact that although he was still a female inside, he was male outside.

I have done some additional research and found that most of the hub-bub surrounding this pregnancy and birth was how he had previously dubbed himself as trans-gender, yet the only female organs he has had removed has been his breasts...

Link #1

Link #2

Link #3

Sorry if I wasn't clear in my original post...
Heather
QUOTE (Princess @ Jun 9 2008, 12:52 PM) *
I guess my prayer is that this child does not go through life being ridiculed over something he or she had no control over. The child had no say so in his/ hers conception.

Kids go through tons of crap worst than this. Are you alive? Are you paying attention to anything beyond your front yard? Are you aware of the crap that the majority of children are born with these days? Your front yard is not the status of the world. Being born of gay, transgender isn't a subject kids need worry about. That is layering your chit onto your future generations. They have enough to worry about without your crap. If they have a parent of any kind is a blessing.

Hagerstown is not the whole world. People! sad.gif
Princess
First of all, I am not from Hagerstown and you're right the world is much more than what you see around here. My travels all over the United States and Europe has taught me this. This childs' circumstance is different than most because the media covered this story world wide. This child will not deal with this privately like most kids have. The media will constantly track this child to keep the story alive. You are naieve to think that this child will be allowed to live her life without this story being constantly brought up.
Ithlilian
QUOTE (Princess @ Jul 15 2008, 08:49 AM) *
First of all, I am not from Hagerstown and you're right the world is much more than what you see around here. My travels all over the United States and Europe has taught me this. This childs' circumstance is different than most because the media covered this story world wide. This child will not deal with this privately like most kids have. The media will constantly track this child to keep the story alive. You are naieve to think that this child will be allowed to live her life without this story being constantly brought up.


Hmm, I see where you are coming from, I never thought of it like that. If they continue to publish and follow up with the child then kids will have more reason to pick on the child. Oh you are the child born to the man!!! HE HEHEH EHEHEHEHEHE
Mcgee
Brings a new meaning to WHO`S your Daddy. Poor kid. I hope the kid changes his name and gets far away from those two goof- balls.
Udmas
WHO`S your Daddy

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CleverNameGoesHere
It makes me think of Baby Jessica, down in the well. And there were various multiple birth stories a few years back, I remember seeing follow-up stories on the babies when they were like 12 or so. Any time the media gloms onto some really unusual family situation (remember the first test tube baby?), the subject of that story is in the public eye to some extent (albeit periodically) at last until adulthood. Same with this kid, everyone's always going to know. Maybe the child will grow up well-adjusted, maybe not, due to the attention. My guess is, maybe not. sad.gif
SmokeChaser
I guess it all depends on what a person's definition of "normal" is. IMO this child will lead a far from normal life.
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