Heather
May 25 2008, 09:49 PM
I watched the Planet Earth series.
No doubt both crazy sides will descend upon my thread and make with an argument.
Is there a bottom line? I don't want a starving bear again.
OH! BUT DEAR LORD, I WOULD NEVER place any morally repugnant sinful harmful BEING in your way.
They say polar bears will adapt.
Udmas
May 26 2008, 09:15 AM
They will adapt or die, and for some of us life will go on with or without the polar bears.
BMIC
May 26 2008, 10:47 AM
And others are saying they're not in any danger at all but it's just somebody's pet obsession.
BMIC
May 26 2008, 11:36 AM
To wit: Victory of Ignorance
http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2008/05/victory-of-igno.htmlQUOTE
Well, I guess we all expected it, but it is no less galling to see polar bears listed by the US Government as a threatened species. This despite rising polar bear populations and no evidence that a smaller Arctic ice cap will have a negative effect on the bears. This is, even by admission of its supporters, mainly intended as an open license to sue any one or group over anything that has any element of economic growth. Freeway projects in Arizona, power plants in Florida, desperately needed new refineries in Texas, oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico, and even a new shopping mall in California can now be held up in court as a danger to polar bears.
There is no evidence that global warming, which is not even happening much less caused by man, is having any adverse effect on Polar Bears. In fact, Polar Bears are doing very well: their numbers have been increasing.
chief
May 26 2008, 05:16 PM
QUOTE (BMIC @ May 26 2008, 12:36 PM)

To wit: Victory of Ignorance
http://www.climate-skeptic.com/2008/05/victory-of-igno.htmlQUOTE
Well, I guess we all expected it, but it is no less galling to see polar bears listed by the US Government as a threatened species. This despite rising polar bear populations and no evidence that a smaller Arctic ice cap will have a negative effect on the bears. This is, even by admission of its supporters, mainly intended as an open license to sue any one or group over anything that has any element of economic growth. Freeway projects in Arizona, power plants in Florida, desperately needed new refineries in Texas, oil drilling in the Gulf of Mexico, and even a new shopping mall in California can now be held up in court as a danger to polar bears.
There is no evidence that global warming, which is not even happening much less caused by man, is having any adverse effect on Polar Bears. In fact, Polar Bears are doing very well: their numbers have been increasing.
Then why were they just put on the endangered species list????
Ithlilian
May 26 2008, 05:16 PM
I don't eat polar bears, if they die out I won't be sad. I don't need the ozone either, in 100000000000 years when the ozone is gone I won't care much.
SMan
May 26 2008, 05:20 PM
QUOTE (chief @ May 26 2008, 06:16 PM)

Then why were they just put on the endangered species list????
They were just listed as "threatened", not endangered.
LinkQUOTE
The Interior Department actually gave the bear "threatened" status under the Endangered Species Act. An "endangered" species is defined by the act as facing likely extinction in its natural habitat, while a "threatened" species is seen as one that's likely to fall into the endangered category in the foreseeable future.
Either way, I love polar bears and hope they stick around.
communityhagerstown
May 26 2008, 06:59 PM
OOOOOhhhhhhhhhhh. I want to hug a polar bear and tell him its going to be ok. I love the pictures on the other thread of the polar bear.
(NO, i am not going to actually seek out the big fella. I would miss him if he and his friends were all gone.)
If polar bears are threatened why can't pigeons get on the list? Honestly, I would not miss a pigeon. I would miss it if we lost all the polar bears.
JMHO
coma
May 26 2008, 07:14 PM
I have the Planet Earth series on DVD.
Snoopy
May 27 2008, 10:45 AM
I heard from several places on the radio that there are more polar bears now than in 1975, and the arctic ice has increased over the last year. This listing is pure political BS of what some people think MIGHT happen.
BMIC
May 27 2008, 11:17 AM
QUOTE (chief @ May 26 2008, 06:16 PM)

Then why were they just put on the endangered species list????
Try reading the article at the link. It's obviously a political favor to the gorefans and their GW hysteria. There's no scientific proof that Polar Bears are in any danger whatsoever. This is a clear case of political scare-mongering.
Heather
May 28 2008, 06:35 PM
This is what gives me the shnitz about politics. You can ask one question and get a bazillion answers. There has to be an unbiased opinion out there. I'm totally going to ask snopes.com!
Biggins
May 28 2008, 06:53 PM
Polar bears look pretty cool, but I would NEVER want to get near one. I recently saw a thread on another message board I frequent showing the results of an unwanted human interaction with a polar bear. I refuse to link the photos, but let's just say he was lucky and one of his legs was hollowed out. The story said he was camping somewhere in Canada and woke up missing pieces of him and was VERY lucky to live.
siriunsun
May 28 2008, 10:49 PM
QUOTE (Biggins @ May 28 2008, 06:53 PM)

Polar bears look pretty cool, but I would NEVER want to get near one. I recently saw a thread on another message board I frequent showing the results of an unwanted human interaction with a polar bear. I refuse to link the photos, but let's just say he was lucky and one of his legs was hollowed out. The story said he was camping somewhere in Canada and woke up missing pieces of him and was VERY lucky to live.
It is a good idea to avoid a personal encounter with ANY bear.
BMIC
May 29 2008, 06:18 AM
QUOTE (Biggins @ May 28 2008, 07:53 PM)

Polar bears look pretty cool, but I would NEVER want to get near one. I recently saw a thread on another message board I frequent showing the results of an unwanted human interaction with a polar bear. I refuse to link the photos, but let's just say he was lucky and one of his legs was hollowed out. The story said he was camping somewhere in Canada and woke up missing pieces of him and was VERY lucky to live.
Thanks to their new protected status and burgeoning populations, we may be reading more and more stories like this. Kind of like what the animal rights nut jobs have done with regards to deer populations in certain areas.
Protecting a species that doesn't need it just because somebody thinks they're cute, it serves some lame formerly significant public figures' moribund careers, and/or are a favored mascot of some gigantic soft drink manufacturer can have dangerous consequences as we inappropriately interfere with the natural processes controlling their populations.
PHISH
May 29 2008, 11:11 AM
QUOTE (BMIC @ May 29 2008, 07:18 AM)

Protecting a species that doesn't need it just because somebody thinks they're cute, ......can have dangerous consequences as we inappropriately interfere with the natural processes controlling their populations.
Could this statement apply to ALL GOD'S CREATURES or just the ones you deem expendable?
BMIC
May 29 2008, 12:45 PM
QUOTE (PHISH @ May 29 2008, 12:11 PM)

QUOTE (BMIC @ May 29 2008, 07:18 AM)

Protecting a species that doesn't need it just because somebody thinks they're cute, ......can have dangerous consequences as we inappropriately interfere with the natural processes controlling their populations.
Could this statement apply to ALL GOD'S CREATURES or just the ones you deem expendable?

All of God's creatures that are not truly endangerered and thus not truly in need of special protections which could disrupt the ecosystem.
PHISH
May 29 2008, 12:48 PM
QUOTE (BMIC @ May 29 2008, 01:45 PM)

QUOTE (PHISH @ May 29 2008, 12:11 PM)

QUOTE (BMIC @ May 29 2008, 07:18 AM)

Protecting a species that doesn't need it just because somebody thinks they're cute, ......can have dangerous consequences as we inappropriately interfere with the natural processes controlling their populations.
Could this statement apply to ALL GOD'S CREATURES or just the ones you deem expendable?

All of God's creatures that are not truly endangerered and thus not truly in need of special protections which could disrupt the ecosystem.
So then, hypothetically speaking (and I apologize for going off topic here), but if a woman was raped, became pregnant, and decided to abort the fetus, it would be OK since humans are not endangered. Thanks. Just making sure.
Patton
May 29 2008, 01:02 PM
QUOTE (PHISH @ May 29 2008, 01:48 PM)

QUOTE (BMIC @ May 29 2008, 01:45 PM)

QUOTE (PHISH @ May 29 2008, 12:11 PM)

QUOTE (BMIC @ May 29 2008, 07:18 AM)

Protecting a species that doesn't need it just because somebody thinks they're cute, ......can have dangerous consequences as we inappropriately interfere with the natural processes controlling their populations.
Could this statement apply to ALL GOD'S CREATURES or just the ones you deem expendable?

All of God's creatures that are not truly endangerered and thus not truly in need of special protections which could disrupt the ecosystem.
So then, hypothetically speaking (and I apologize for going off topic here), but if a woman was raped, became pregnant, and decided to abort the baby
fetus, it would be OK since humans are not endangered. Thanks. Just making sure.

Wow, and I'm accused of "baiting, flaming and trolling".
PHISH
May 29 2008, 01:25 PM
QUOTE (Patton @ May 29 2008, 02:02 PM)

Wow, and I'm accused of "baiting, flaming and trolling".

That's because you usually are. I was proving a point. What are you doing? Instigating, as usual.
Patton
May 29 2008, 01:26 PM
Not at all. That is not allowed.
I should've/could've reported the post. :shrugs:
PHISH
May 29 2008, 01:31 PM
QUOTE (Patton @ May 29 2008, 02:26 PM)

I should've/could've reported the post. :shrugs:
Why? Did I attack anyone? Did I call anyone names? In my opinion, it's relative to the topic.
Patton
May 29 2008, 01:32 PM
Ok :shrugs:
Even though you apologized for going OFF topic.
Checkingin
May 29 2008, 02:11 PM
[/quote]
So then, hypothetically speaking (and I apologize for going off topic here), but if a woman was raped, became pregnant, and decided to abort the fetus, it would be OK since humans are not endangered. Thanks. Just making sure.

[/quote]
Thought it might be interesting to actually read some of the opinions of woman who actually experienced this tragedy.
WARNING: very sensitive material.
http://www.gargaro.com/choices.htmlhttp://www.cwfa.org/familyvoice/2001-01/14-20.asphttp://www.afterabortion.org/news/WPSApetition.htm
PHISH
May 29 2008, 02:17 PM
I'm glad that those women had the strength to bear the child without aborting it. I'm also glad that they have the choice not to, if they so choose.
BMIC
May 29 2008, 04:26 PM
QUOTE (PHISH @ May 29 2008, 02:25 PM)

I was proving a point.
Not even close. But the humans=animals value judgement is noteworthy, and wayyyy wrong. It may be true to certain animal rights activists. But most of us do not equate the value of human life with that of an animal.
I believe it was the President of PETA who has been quoted as saying that, if he saw a drowning baby animal and a drowning baby human floating by down the river, he honestly couldn't decide which he would jump in and try to save.
Animals are ... well ... just tasty - yummmmm!
ModSquad
May 29 2008, 05:46 PM
Ok... since this topic is no longer addressing the Polar Bear Dilemma and appears to be discussing Abortion, I'm going to close this thread since we now have a current topic addressing the issue of Abortion.
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