This man is down right scary. I cannot believe how he got so far so fast. I wonder where he got all the money that he is spending and has been spending since day one of his campaign. Look it up online.
Barak Obama - 50 Lies and Counting: Posted on Political forum.com - Elections and Campaigns .Share with friends
1.) 'Selma Got Me Born' - LIAR, your parents felt safe enough to have you in 1961 - Selma had no effect on your birth, as Selma didn't occur until 1965.
2.) 'Father Was A Goat Herder' - LIAR, he was a privileged, well educated youth, who went on to work with the socialistic Kenyan Government.
3.) 'Father Was A Proud Freedom Fighter' - LIAR, he was part of one of the most corrupt and violent governments Kenya has ever had
4) 'My Family Has Strong Ties To African Freedom' - LIAR, your cousin Raila Odinga has created mass violence in attempting to overturn a legitimate election in 2007, in Kenya It is the first widespread violence in decades.
5.) 'My Grandmother Has Always Been A Christian' - LIAR, she does her daily Salat prayers at 5am according to her own interviews. Not to mention, Christianity wouldn't allow her to have been one of 14 wives to 1 man.
6.) 'My Name is African Swahili' - LIAR, your name is Arabic and Baraka (from which Barack came) means blessed in that language. Hussein is also Arabic and so is Obama.
7.) 'I Never Practiced Islam' - LIAR, you practiced it daily at school, where you were registered as a Muslim and kept that faith for 31 years,until your wife made you change, so you could run for office.
8.) 'My School In Indonesia was Christian' - LIAR, you were registered as Muslim there and got in trouble in Koranic Studies for making silly faces. (check your own book).
9.) 'I Was Fluent In Indonesian' - LIAR, not one teacher says you could speak the language.
10.) 'Because I Lived In Indonesia, I Have More Foreign Experience' - LIAR, you were there from the ages of 6 to 10, and couldn't even speak the language. What did you learn, how to study the Koran and watch cartoons?
11.) 'I Am Stronger On Foreign Affairs' - LIAR, except for Africa (surprise) and the Middle East (bigger surprise), you have never been anywhere else on the planet and thus have NO experience with our closest allies.
12.) 'I Blame My Early Drug Use On Ethnic Confusion' - LIAR, you were quite content in high school to be Barry Obama, no mention of Kenya and no mention of struggle to identify - your classmates said you were just fine...you merely chose to do drugs.
13.)'An Ebony Article Moved Me To Run For Office' - LIAR, Ebony has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn't, and never did, exist.
14.) 'A Life Magazine Article Changed My Outlook On Life' - LIAR, Life has yet to find the article you mention in your book. It doesn't, and never did, exist.
15.) 'I Won't Run On A National Ticket' in '08' - LIAR, here you are, despite saying, live on TV, that you would not have enough experience by then, and you are all about having experience first.
16.) 'Voting Present rather than Yes or No is Common In Illinois' - LIAR, That is common for YOU, but not many others have 130 ‘Present' votes which means you wouldn't commit yourself because you didn't want the voters to know the real you and where you stood on the issues!
17.) 'Oops, I Misvoted' - LIAR, only when caught by church groups and democrats, did you beg to change your so-called 'misvote'.
18.) 'I Was A Professor Of Law' - LIAR, you were only a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.
19.) 'I Was A Constitutional Lawyer' - LIAR, you were only a senior lecturer ON LEAVE.
20.) 'Without Me, There Would Be No Ethics Bill' - LIAR, you didn't write it, introduce it, change it, or create it.
21.) 'The Ethics Bill Was Hard To Pass' - LIAR, it took just 14 days from start to finish.
22.) 'I Wrote A Tough Nuclear Bill' - LIAR, your bill was rejected by your own party for its pandering and lack of all regulation - mainly because of the money you took from your Nuclear Donor, Exelon, from which David Axelrod came.
23.) 'I Have Released My State Records' - LIAR, as of March, 2008, state bills you sponsored or voted for have yet to be released, exposing all the special interests pork hidden within.
24.) 'I Took On The Asbestos Altgeld Gardens Mess' - LIAR, you were part of a large group of people who remedied Altgeld Gardens. You failed to mention anyone else but yourself, in your books.
25.) 'My Economics Bill Will Help America' - LIAR, your 111 economic policies were just combined into a proposal which lost 99-0, and even YOU voted against your own bill.
26.) 'I Have Been A Bold Leader In Illinois' - LIAR, even your own supporters claim to have never seen any BOLD action on your part.
27.) 'I Passed 26 Of My Own Bills In One Year' - LIAR, they were not YOUR bills, but rather handed to you, after their creation by a fellow Senator, to assist you in a future bid for higher office.
28.) 'No One Contacted Canada About NAFTA' - LIAR, the Canadian Government issued the names and a memo of the conversation your campaign had with them.
29.) 'I Am Tough On Terrorism' - LIAR, you missed the Iran Resolution vote on terrorism and your good friend Ali Abunimah supports the destruction of Israel and another friend el Hadi(sp?) was stopped by the Federal Government from collecting and sending donations to the terrorist group Hamas...now he is raising money for you and lists your wife Michelle as a supporter of his and she lists him as one of her friends. Also you and your wife are known co-horts of the man and wife 'Weather-Underground' hippie pair who admitted killing people and bombing several federal buildings back in the late sixties or early seventies. The man has written a book saying he and his wife only wish they had done more killings and bombings!
30.) 'I Am Not Acting As President Yet' - LIAR, after the NAFTA Memo, a dead terrorist in the FARC, in Colombia, was found with a letter stating how you and he were working together on getting FARC recognized officially.
31.) 'I Didn't Run Ads In Florida' - LIAR, you allowed national ads to run 8-12 times per day for two weeks - and you still lost.
32.) 'I Won Michigan' - LIAR, no you didn't.
33.) 'I won Nevada' - LIAR, no you did not.
34.) 'I Want All Votes To Count' - LIAR, you said let the delegates decide.
35.) 'I Want Americans To Decide' - LIAR, you prefer caucuses that limit the vote, confuse the voters, force a public vote, and only operate during small windows of time.
36.) 'I passed 900 Bills in the State Senate' - LIAR, you only passed 26, most of which you didn't write yourself.
37.) 'My Campaign Was Extorted By A Friend' - LIAR, that friend is threatening to sue if you do not stop saying this. Obama has stopped saying this.
38.) 'I Believe In Fairness, Not Tactics' - LIAR, you used tactics to eliminate Alice Palmer from running against you.
39.) 'I Don't Take PAC Money' - LIAR, you have taken loads of it.
40.) 'I don't Have Lobbyists' - LIAR, you have over 47 lobbyists, and counting.
41.) 'My Campaign Had Nothing To Do With The 1984 Ad' - LIAR, your own campaign worker made the ad on his Apple in one afternoon.
42.) 'My Campaign Never Took Over MySpace' - LIAR, Tom, who started MySpace issued a warning about this advertising to MySpace clients.
43.) 'I Inspire People With My Words' - LIAR, you inspire people with other people's words.
44.) 'I Have Passed Bills In The U.S. Senate' - LIAR, you have passed A BILL in the U.S. Senate - for Africa, which shows YOUR priorities.
45.) 'I Have Always Been Against Iraq' - LIAR, you weren't in office to vote against it AND you have voted to fund it every single time, unlike Kucinich, who seems to be gutting you, Obama.
46.) 'I Have Always Supported Universal Health Care' - LIAR, your plan leaves all of us working taxpayers to pay for the 15,000,000 who don't have to buy it.
47.) 'I Only Found Out About My Investment Conflicts Via Mail' - LIAR, both companies you site as having sent you letters about this conflict have no record of any such letter ever being created or sent.
48.) 'I Am As Patriotic As Anyone' - LIAR, you won't wear a flag pin and you don't put your hand over your heart during the Anthem...because you have said 'you didn't want to offend muslims and others who don't like America'!
49.) 'My Wife Didn't Mean What She Said About Pride In Country' - LIAR, your wife's words follow lock-step in the vein of Wright and Farrahkan, in relation to their contempt and hatred of America.
50.) 'Wal-Mart Is A Company I Would't Support' - LIAR, your wife has received nearly a quarter of a million dollars through Treehouse, which is connected to Wal-Mart.
Full Version: 50 Lies from the Presumptive Democratic Nominee
A little more on this.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/50lies.asp
Regardless of what's a lie and what's not, I'd expect more from you, General, than re-posting a chain email.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/50lies.asp
Regardless of what's a lie and what's not, I'd expect more from you, General, than re-posting a chain email.
A little more of nothing. :shrugs:
Thanks for the compliment, I think. :|
Thanks for the compliment, I think. :|
At least it offers a little more information/explanation than the chain email.
And it was a bit of a compliment.
And it was a bit of a compliment.
QUOTE (SMan @ Jun 4 2008, 07:29 AM) 
A little more on this.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/50lies.asp
Regardless of what's a lie and what's not, I'd expect more from you, General, than re-posting a chain email.
http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/50lies.asp
Regardless of what's a lie and what's not, I'd expect more from you, General, than re-posting a chain email.
Snopes' sources... USA Today, Time, AP, Guardian... why are they any better?
Ha, ha. Almost as good as you citing Kos or DU.
Sorry for seeming cranky. Uncited chain emails are a bit of a pet peeve for me, no matter the topic.
Sorry for seeming cranky. Uncited chain emails are a bit of a pet peeve for me, no matter the topic.
When such e-mails are sent and contain lies themselves they only damage the cause IMO. Very few chain e-mails I get about anything are found to be entirely true, most are more false than true.
snopes, only addressed 15 of these, why?
QUOTE (Patton @ Jun 4 2008, 11:43 AM)
snopes, only addressed 15 of these, why?
I'll be honest -- I am definitely not an Obama fan. But when I see this many errors, I discount everything in the entire list. Did the author work for Verizon?
QUOTE (Patton @ Jun 4 2008, 11:43 AM)
snopes, only addressed 15 of these, why?
A better question is why does your chain email make 50 claims without providing sources for any of the claims. Some of the stuff is likely true, but I'll take a USA Today article as a reference over a spam email.
Forward this post to 10 friends or you will have bad luck!!!!!!!!
# 22
NYT should be as good a source as USA Today.
Sounds like a lie to me.
NYT should be as good a source as USA Today.
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When residents in Illinois voiced outrage two years ago upon learning that the Exelon Corporation had not disclosed radioactive leaks at one of its nuclear plants, the state’s freshman senator, Barack Obama, took up their cause.
Mr. Obama scolded Exelon and federal regulators for inaction and introduced a bill to require all plant owners to notify state and local authorities immediately of even small leaks. He has boasted of it on the campaign trail, telling a crowd in Iowa in December that it was “the only nuclear legislation that I’ve passed.”
“I just did that last year,” he said, to murmurs of approval.
A close look at the path his legislation took tells a very different story. While he initially fought to advance his bill, even holding up a presidential nomination to try to force a hearing on it, Mr. Obama eventually rewrote it to reflect changes sought by Senate Republicans, Exelon and nuclear regulators. The new bill removed language mandating prompt reporting and simply offered guidance to regulators, whom it charged with addressing the issue of unreported leaks.
Those revisions propelled the bill through a crucial committee. But, contrary to Mr. Obama’s comments in Iowa, it ultimately died amid parliamentary wrangling in the full Senate.
“Senator Obama’s staff was sending us copies of the bill to review, and we could see it weakening with each successive draft,” said Joe Cosgrove, a park district director in Will County, Ill., where low-level radioactive runoff had turned up in groundwater. “The teeth were just taken out of it.”
The history of the bill shows Mr. Obama navigating a home-state controversy that pitted two important constituencies against each other and tested his skills as a legislative infighter. On one side were neighbors of several nuclear plants upset that low-level radioactive leaks had gone unreported for years; on the other was Exelon, the country’s largest nuclear plant operator and one of Mr. Obama’s largest sources of campaign money.
Since 2003, executives and employees of Exelon, which is based in Illinois, have contributed at least $227,000 to Mr. Obama’s campaigns for the United States Senate and for president. Two top Exelon officials, Frank M. Clark, executive vice president, and John W. Rogers Jr., a director, are among his largest fund-raisers.
Another Obama donor, John W. Rowe, chairman of Exelon, is also chairman of the Nuclear Energy Institute, the nuclear power industry’s lobbying group, based in Washington. Exelon’s support for Mr. Obama far exceeds its support for any other presidential candidate.
In addition, Mr. Obama’s chief political strategist, David Axelrod, has worked as a consultant to Exelon. A spokeswoman for Exelon said Mr. Axelrod’s company had helped an Exelon subsidiary, Commonwealth Edison, with communications strategy periodically since 2002, but had no involvement in the leak controversy or other nuclear issues.
Mr. Obama scolded Exelon and federal regulators for inaction and introduced a bill to require all plant owners to notify state and local authorities immediately of even small leaks. He has boasted of it on the campaign trail, telling a crowd in Iowa in December that it was “the only nuclear legislation that I’ve passed.”
“I just did that last year,” he said, to murmurs of approval.
A close look at the path his legislation took tells a very different story. While he initially fought to advance his bill, even holding up a presidential nomination to try to force a hearing on it, Mr. Obama eventually rewrote it to reflect changes sought by Senate Republicans, Exelon and nuclear regulators. The new bill removed language mandating prompt reporting and simply offered guidance to regulators, whom it charged with addressing the issue of unreported leaks.
Those revisions propelled the bill through a crucial committee. But, contrary to Mr. Obama’s comments in Iowa, it ultimately died amid parliamentary wrangling in the full Senate.
“Senator Obama’s staff was sending us copies of the bill to review, and we could see it weakening with each successive draft,” said Joe Cosgrove, a park district director in Will County, Ill., where low-level radioactive runoff had turned up in groundwater. “The teeth were just taken out of it.”
The history of the bill shows Mr. Obama navigating a home-state controversy that pitted two important constituencies against each other and tested his skills as a legislative infighter. On one side were neighbors of several nuclear plants upset that low-level radioactive leaks had gone unreported for years; on the other was Exelon, the country’s largest nuclear plant operator and one of Mr. Obama’s largest sources of campaign money.
Since 2003, executives and employees of Exelon, which is based in Illinois, have contributed at least $227,000 to Mr. Obama’s campaigns for the United States Senate and for president. Two top Exelon officials, Frank M. Clark, executive vice president, and John W. Rogers Jr., a director, are among his largest fund-raisers.
Another Obama donor, John W. Rowe, chairman of Exelon, is also chairman of the Nuclear Energy Institute, the nuclear power industry’s lobbying group, based in Washington. Exelon’s support for Mr. Obama far exceeds its support for any other presidential candidate.
In addition, Mr. Obama’s chief political strategist, David Axelrod, has worked as a consultant to Exelon. A spokeswoman for Exelon said Mr. Axelrod’s company had helped an Exelon subsidiary, Commonwealth Edison, with communications strategy periodically since 2002, but had no involvement in the leak controversy or other nuclear issues.
Sounds like a lie to me.
# 40
Newsweek
I don't care about Michelle Obama or the muslim BS but this I do care about.
Newsweek
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Obama’s Lobbyist Connection
Michael Isikoff
NEWSWEEK
Updated: 11:06 AM ET May 24, 2008
When Illinois utility Commonwealth Edison wanted state lawmakers to back a hefty rate hike two years ago, it took a creative lobbying approach, concocting a new outfit that seemed devoted to the public interest: Consumers Organized for Reliable Electricity, or CORE. CORE ran TV ads warning of a "California-style energy crisis" if the rate increase wasn't approved—but without disclosing the commercials were funded by Commonwealth Edison. The ad campaign provoked a brief uproar when its ties to the utility, which is owned by Exelon Corp., became known. "It's corporate money trying to hoodwink the public," the state's Democratic Lt. Gov. Pat Quinn said. What got scant notice then—but may soon get more scrutiny—is that CORE was the brainchild of ASK Public Strategies, a consulting firm whose senior partner is David Axelrod, now chief strategist for Barack Obama.
Last week, Obama hit John McCain for hiring "some of the biggest lobbyists in Washington" to run his campaign; Obama's aides say their candidate, as a foe of "special interests," has refused to take money from lobbyists or employ them. Neither Axelrod nor his partners at ASK ever registered as lobbyists for Commonwealth Edison—and under Illinois's loose disclosure laws, they were not required to. "I've never lobbied anybody in my life," Axelrod tells NEWSWEEK. "I've never talked to any public official on behalf of a corporate client." (He also says "no one ever denied" that Edison was the "principal funder" of his firm's ad campaign.)
But the activities of ASK (located in the same office as Axelrod's political firm) illustrate the difficulties in defining exactly who a lobbyist is. In 2004, Cablevision hired ASK to set up a group similar to CORE to block a new stadium for the New York Jets in Manhattan. Unlike Illinois, New York disclosure laws do cover such work, and ASK's $1.1 million fee was listed as the "largest lobbying contract" of the year in the annual report of the state's lobbying commission. ASK last year proposed a similar "political campaign style approach" to help Illinois hospitals block a state proposal that would have forced them to provide more medical care to the indigent. One part of its plan: create a "grassroots" group of medical experts "capable of contacting policymakers to advocate for our position," according to a copy of the proposal. (ASK didn't get the contract.) Public-interest watchdogs say these grassroots campaigns are state of the art in the lobbying world. "There's no way with a straight face to say that's not lobbying," says Ellen Miller, director of the Sunlight Foundation, which promotes government transparency.
Axelrod says there are still huge differences between him and top McCain advisers, including the fact that he doesn't work in D.C. But his corporate clients do have business in the capital. One of them, Exelon, lobbied Obama two years ago on a nuclear bill; the firm's executives and employees have also been a top source of cash for Obama's campaign, contributing $236,211. Axelrod says he's never talked to Obama about Exelon matters. "I'm not going to public officials with bundles of money on behalf of a corporate client," Axelrod says.
Michael Isikoff
NEWSWEEK
Updated: 11:06 AM ET May 24, 2008
When Illinois utility Commonwealth Edison wanted state lawmakers to back a hefty rate hike two years ago, it took a creative lobbying approach, concocting a new outfit that seemed devoted to the public interest: Consumers Organized for Reliable Electricity, or CORE. CORE ran TV ads warning of a "California-style energy crisis" if the rate increase wasn't approved—but without disclosing the commercials were funded by Commonwealth Edison. The ad campaign provoked a brief uproar when its ties to the utility, which is owned by Exelon Corp., became known. "It's corporate money trying to hoodwink the public," the state's Democratic Lt. Gov. Pat Quinn said. What got scant notice then—but may soon get more scrutiny—is that CORE was the brainchild of ASK Public Strategies, a consulting firm whose senior partner is David Axelrod, now chief strategist for Barack Obama.
Last week, Obama hit John McCain for hiring "some of the biggest lobbyists in Washington" to run his campaign; Obama's aides say their candidate, as a foe of "special interests," has refused to take money from lobbyists or employ them. Neither Axelrod nor his partners at ASK ever registered as lobbyists for Commonwealth Edison—and under Illinois's loose disclosure laws, they were not required to. "I've never lobbied anybody in my life," Axelrod tells NEWSWEEK. "I've never talked to any public official on behalf of a corporate client." (He also says "no one ever denied" that Edison was the "principal funder" of his firm's ad campaign.)
But the activities of ASK (located in the same office as Axelrod's political firm) illustrate the difficulties in defining exactly who a lobbyist is. In 2004, Cablevision hired ASK to set up a group similar to CORE to block a new stadium for the New York Jets in Manhattan. Unlike Illinois, New York disclosure laws do cover such work, and ASK's $1.1 million fee was listed as the "largest lobbying contract" of the year in the annual report of the state's lobbying commission. ASK last year proposed a similar "political campaign style approach" to help Illinois hospitals block a state proposal that would have forced them to provide more medical care to the indigent. One part of its plan: create a "grassroots" group of medical experts "capable of contacting policymakers to advocate for our position," according to a copy of the proposal. (ASK didn't get the contract.) Public-interest watchdogs say these grassroots campaigns are state of the art in the lobbying world. "There's no way with a straight face to say that's not lobbying," says Ellen Miller, director of the Sunlight Foundation, which promotes government transparency.
Axelrod says there are still huge differences between him and top McCain advisers, including the fact that he doesn't work in D.C. But his corporate clients do have business in the capital. One of them, Exelon, lobbied Obama two years ago on a nuclear bill; the firm's executives and employees have also been a top source of cash for Obama's campaign, contributing $236,211. Axelrod says he's never talked to Obama about Exelon matters. "I'm not going to public officials with bundles of money on behalf of a corporate client," Axelrod says.
I don't care about Michelle Obama or the muslim BS but this I do care about.
QUOTE (Snoopy @ Jun 4 2008, 11:38 AM)
When such e-mails are sent and contain lies themselves they only damage the cause IMO. Very few chain e-mails I get about anything are found to be entirely true, most are more false than true.
I aqree but there are five or six on that list that can be substantiated and people should be concerned about IMO.
The Washington Post consistently catches him in lies but rarely do they make the front page.
Under the WaPo rating system Barack Obama gets 4 Pinocchois.
One Pinocchio...
Some shading of the facts. Selective telling of the truth. Some omissions and exaggerations, but no outright falsehoods.
Two Pinocchios...
Significant omissions and/or exaggerations. Some factual error may be involved but not necessarily. A politician can create a false, misleading impression by playing with words and using legalistic language that means little to ordinary people.
Three Pinocchios...
Significant factual error and/or obvious contradictions.
They don't go higher than four.
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Four Pinocchios
Whoppers.
Whoppers.
One Pinocchio...
Some shading of the facts. Selective telling of the truth. Some omissions and exaggerations, but no outright falsehoods.
Two Pinocchios...
Significant omissions and/or exaggerations. Some factual error may be involved but not necessarily. A politician can create a false, misleading impression by playing with words and using legalistic language that means little to ordinary people.
Three Pinocchios...
Significant factual error and/or obvious contradictions.
They don't go higher than four.
Id -- kudos for having some kind of links to back up your stuff, and they aren't some nutjob blogger writing from a scruffy hotel room somewhere. (Though the WaPo is only one step up! )
)
QUOTE (Idiot @ Jun 4 2008, 02:05 PM)
Under the same rating plan, WaPo gave John McCain four pinocchios when it came to his claim of eliminating $100 billion a year in earmarks...
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The Pinocchio Test
McCain's talk about eliminating $100 billion a year in earmarks is largely fantasy. His advisers are now promoting a more realistic plan of eliminating $100 billion in overall spending. But it is difficult to take even that promise very seriously given the fact that the senator refuses to identify exactly which projects he will be cut. To use a phrase coined by George H.W. Bush, this is "voodoo economics," based more on wishful thinking than on hard data or carefully considered policy proposals.
McCain's talk about eliminating $100 billion a year in earmarks is largely fantasy. His advisers are now promoting a more realistic plan of eliminating $100 billion in overall spending. But it is difficult to take even that promise very seriously given the fact that the senator refuses to identify exactly which projects he will be cut. To use a phrase coined by George H.W. Bush, this is "voodoo economics," based more on wishful thinking than on hard data or carefully considered policy proposals.
One's as bad as the other, IMO. They're politicians. They all lie. If you want honesty, you may as well do a write in.
Indeed, Patton for President.!!!!
We'd be better off with Palpatine than anyone else. He doesn't like you, he blows your planet up. Doesn't get much more honest than that.
Very good point.
QUOTE (Snoopy @ Jun 4 2008, 02:27 PM)
Id -- kudos for having some kind of links to back up your stuff, and they aren't some nutjob blogger writing from a scruffy hotel room somewhere. (Though the WaPo is only one step up! )
)I agree. I never said they all weren't true and it really isn't that hard to substantiate some of them, as proven by Id.
QUOTE (Patton @ Jun 4 2008, 02:51 PM)
Indeed, Patton for President.!!!!
Take a few steps toward the center on some social issues and you have my vote.
That would ruin my whole persona.
QUOTE (SMan @ Jun 4 2008, 03:15 PM)
QUOTE (Patton @ Jun 4 2008, 02:51 PM)
Indeed, Patton for President.!!!!
Take a few steps toward the center on some social issues and you have my vote.
Not mine. Pale face with no boobs. Not a chance this year!
I will, however, throw him my vote for Secretary of Defense, since I PERSONALLY pissed off the present one. Long story, but a fun one!
QUOTE (PHISH @ Jun 4 2008, 02:35 PM)
Under the same rating plan, WaPo gave John McCain four pinocchios when it came to his claim of eliminating $100 billion a year in earmarks...
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One's as bad as the other, IMO. They're politicians. They all lie. If you want honesty, you may as well do a write in.
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One's as bad as the other, IMO. They're politicians. They all lie. If you want honesty, you may as well do a write in.
That may be but I don't think anyone thinks Obama will try to cut spending as much as McCain will.
I'm convinced neither of them will, though McCain is more likely to say he will.
The 50 lies seemed to be more like opinions after #10 or so...I stopped reading.
I did read #12. He does drugs?!?! What drugs?!?! Clinton only smoked pot ONCE and didn't inhale (lol). What kind of drugs is Obama doing? Sounds bad. Tsk.
I did read #12. He does drugs?!?! What drugs?!?! Clinton only smoked pot ONCE and didn't inhale (lol). What kind of drugs is Obama doing? Sounds bad. Tsk.
He admitted to trying cocaine and being a pot head in high school.
Cool a crack-head.
Wow, really?
On that poll with what people wouldn't vote for they should add:
Crackhead.
On that poll with what people wouldn't vote for they should add:
Crackhead.
QUOTE (SMan @ Jun 4 2008, 04:54 PM)
I'm convinced neither of them will, though McCain is more likely to say he will.
I truly believe McCain will actually try to do it but he won't have much of a chance with a more-than-likely-stronger Democratic congress. I hope and pray that they don't get 60 senators or god forbid a filibuster-proof majority.
Let's hope they actually lose seats.
QUOTE (Idiot @ Jun 4 2008, 05:34 PM)
QUOTE (SMan @ Jun 4 2008, 04:54 PM)
I'm convinced neither of them will, though McCain is more likely to say he will.
I truly believe McCain will actually try to do it but he won't have much of a chance with a more-than-likely-stronger Democratic congress. I hope and pray that they don't get 60 senators or god forbid a filibuster-proof majority.
Oops, meant to say "veto-proof" majority. Sixty senators would be filibuster-proof.
QUOTE (Patton @ Jun 4 2008, 05:36 PM)
Let's hope they actually lose seats.
I don't know if you've been following the congressional races or not but it don't look good for the Republicans.
I have seen some, but am trying to think positive. Unfortunately to many people believe MSM and their pack of bullshit lies about a recession and crap like that.
Wow, Obama is a liar.
Well that does it I'm not going to vote for him.
Well that does it I'm not going to vote for him.
QUOTE (Patton @ Jun 4 2008, 06:50 PM)
Unfortunately to many people believe MSM and their pack of bullshit lies about a recession and crap like that.
Well I don't.
But there are some pollsters whose records are hard to argue with and they're not saying great things about your party's chances. Consider, in the 3 big special elections this year the dems won them all. All were long-time repub seats, one Denny Hastert's, the former Speaker of the House, and one in Louisiana and one in Mississippi. All voted overwhelmingly for Bush in '00 and '04. Then consider, of the 35 retiring congressmen 28 are reps and they have 22 seats to defend in the Senate compared to 12 for the dems. The polls show them trailing for Trent Lott's old seat to a newbie dem and in my home state, KY, Mitch McConnell, the Senate Minority Leader is tied.
The numbers aren't in their favor this year and unfortunately neither is public opinion.
It could get ugly.
QUOTE (Idiot @ Jun 4 2008, 06:48 PM)
I don't know if you've been following the congressional races or not but it don't look good for the Republicans.
It could get ugly.
It could get ugly.
That's what happens when you have a president with the lowest approval rating of all time (19% in 2/08). Bush cemented his place in history as one of the worst presidents of all time. That's not my opinion, that's a well-published fact.
QUOTE (Patton @ Jun 4 2008, 05:16 PM)
Cool a crack-head.
Interesting how you escalate cocaine usage to crack usage! I guess since George W. acquired the name "snort" by some accounts due to allegations of cocaine usage (an issue Bush himself won't touch), then I guess he's a crack-head as well. There are even claims that Bill Clinton only released part of his medical records in order to hide cocaine usage so in addition to not inhaling pot, he's an undercover crack-head as well. What makes Obama any different than Bill or George?
If that is the case, with the others, then I will lump them also.
I don't DISCRIMINATE.
Key word in you post though
Mr. BHO admitted. I give him points for stepping up to the plate.
I don't DISCRIMINATE.
Key word in you post though
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allegations
Mr. BHO admitted. I give him points for stepping up to the plate.
QUOTE (Patton @ Jun 5 2008, 10:15 AM)
If that is the case, with the others, then I will lump them also.
I don't DISCRIMINATE.
I don't DISCRIMINATE.
Oh really? Then why is it that you were unaware of the others in spite of the fact it has been in the media for years?
Keep trying JB. Keep trying.
QUOTE (Patton @ Jun 5 2008, 10:17 AM)
Keep trying JB. Keep trying.
It's pretty obvious to most everyone except you Patton.
And what exactly is so "obvious"?
QUOTE (Patton @ Jun 5 2008, 10:20 AM)
And what exactly is so "obvious"?
I wouldn't expect you to understand, so to that end I guess it really doesn't matter Patton. I'm gonna say a prayer for you my Christian and military veteran brother!
Sounds good to me.
We all need all the prayer we can get.
I'm not overly concerned with "getting" it anyway.
We all need all the prayer we can get.
I'm not overly concerned with "getting" it anyway.
QUOTE (Idiot @ Jun 4 2008, 08:07 PM)
QUOTE (Patton @ Jun 4 2008, 06:50 PM)
Unfortunately to many people believe MSM and their pack of bullshit lies about a recession and crap like that.
Well I don't.
But there are some pollsters whose records are hard to argue with and they're not saying great things about your party's chances. Consider, in the 3 big special elections this year the dems won them all. All were long-time repub seats, one Denny Hastert's, the former Speaker of the House, and one in Louisiana and one in Mississippi. All voted overwhelmingly for Bush in '00 and '04. Then consider, of the 35 retiring congressmen 28 are reps and they have 22 seats to defend in the Senate compared to 12 for the dems. The polls show them trailing for Trent Lott's old seat to a newbie dem and in my home state, KY, Mitch McConnell, the Senate Minority Leader is tied.
The numbers aren't in their favor this year and unfortunately neither is public opinion.
It could get ugly.
I think the Dems that won were more like Republicans than many Republicans these days -- they had platforms of supporting the 2nd amendment, lower taxes, strong defense, etc.
If JFK ran today he'd probably get my vote over McCain!
QUOTE (Snoopy @ Jun 5 2008, 11:54 AM)
I think the Dems that won were more like Republicans than many Republicans these days -- they had platforms of supporting the 2nd amendment, lower taxes, strong defense, etc.
Yeah but the problem is that once they get in office in order to get on committees or get any pet pork projects for their districts they have to play the party game. All those reps that were in lockstep with Bush for years didn't actually agree with all the shit they voted for.
That is the main problem they act like republicans to get elected but once they get in their true colors come out.
Sad very sad and by that I mean the republicans that voted for them.
Sad very sad and by that I mean the republicans that voted for them.
I think I mentioned in my post about Clinton. I don't see how people can seriously take comments with pictures of a comedian in them seriously. If I want to call someone a crack head because they used cocaine, then I will call them a crack head. Are you saying it's ok to use cocaine? No, I don't think you are, but I'm going to take what you said out of proportion just like you did with my post. I was just joking, as usual. So sensitive. What about the DC mayor, or he is ok?
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