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PandorasBox
I dunno... Reading this does resemble drafting to me...

When is enough, "enough"?

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A month after US army reservist Matthis Chiroux publicly refused to deploy to Iraq, the former sergeant on Sunday set himself up for possible prosecution by failing to report for active duty with his unit in South Carolina.
"Tonight at midnight, I may face further action from the army for refusing to reactivate to participate in the Iraq occupation," Chiroux told reporters in Washington.
"I stand here today in defense of those who have been stripped of their voices in this occupation, the warriors of this nation...", Chiroux read from a statement as his father Rob, who had travelled to Washington from Alabama to support his son on Father's Day, stood beside him.
Last month, Chiroux rejected an order calling him back to active duty in Iraq, saying he considers the war "illegal and unconstitutional."
Chiroux served five years in the army, with tours in Afghanistan, Japan, Germany and the Philippines.
He was honorably discharged last year and was placed in the Individual Ready Reserves (IRR), a pool of former soldiers who can be "reactivated" in a national emergency or war.
Prior to the Iraq war, IRR members were rarely recalled to active duty, according to the Military Times, an independent newspaper for members of the US armed forces and their families.
"Many believed they never would be called -- but when the army found itself stretched by unexpected combat demands in Iraq in the summer of 2004 it began issuing mobilization orders," Military Times wrote in an article published a year ago on Sunday.
According to the paper, hundreds of IRR members "refused to report or simply ignored their mailed mobilization orders."
Matthis' father Rob, a rocket scientist who lives in the army town of Huntsville, Alabama, said mobilizing IRR members was a form of back-door draft.
"If our country is in such a dire emergency that we need to conscript manpower, congress has to vote to reinstate the draft," the elder Chiroux told AFP.
"But they won't do that because if congress said we need to bring back the general draft, the war in Iraq would be resolved very quickly," he said.
"Moms and dads, who represent millions and millions of voters, would say: wait a minute -- you want to draft my kid? Iraq's got to stop."


So - should this reservist have the right to say "No."? Is this war - 5 years going - considered a national emergency? I respect & honor all of our servicemen. I feel they give so much to our country & our freedom. But, it seems - I'm not so sure as to when they get theirs...
Ithlilian
Wasn't there some movie about this, Stop something?
PandorasBox
I don;t think so... The article was just released on June 15th. Unless there has been a similar situation as this one? Oh, where's is that General Patton when you need him???
siriunsun
Anyone ever heard the phrase "Hell no! We won't go!"?
Ithlilian
Stop Loss:

After serving his tour of duty in Iraq, a young American soldier who is ordered to return to the front lines as part of the military's controversial stop-loss policy opts instead to go AWOL in a thought-provoking military drama directed by Kimberly Peirce.

http://www.moviefone.com/movie/stop-loss/24475/synopsis
Udmas
"Chiroux served five years in the army, with tours in Afghanistan, Japan, Germany and the Philippines.
He was honorably discharged last year and was placed in the Individual Ready Reserves (IRR), a pool of former soldiers who can be "reactivated" in a national emergency or war."

I would say he has done his duty and they should leave him alone.

But, I don't know what he agreed to when he signed up.
Heather
There are different agreements?
BMIC
We are at war, it is called treason. They have gallows for this kind of thing.

You sign the contract you live up to it or else.

How many men and women have done the right thing, and given their all for our nation - they deserve our utmost respect. Who does this jerk think he is to put himself and his fellow servicemen and women to shame with his disgraceful treasonous nonsense?
BMIC
QUOTE (BMIC @ Jun 16 2008, 10:15 PM) *
We are at war, it is called treason. They have gallows for this kind of thing.


Of course I am exaggerating. The death penalty would be a bit harsh. But I am serious about it being treasonous, and IMO they should at the very least be given dishonorable discharges and have all potential veteran's benefits denied.
heyceeo
QUOTE (Udmas @ Jun 16 2008, 06:53 PM) *
"Chiroux served five years in the army, with tours in Afghanistan, Japan, Germany and the Philippines.
He was honorably discharged last year and was placed in the Individual Ready Reserves (IRR), a pool of former soldiers who can be "reactivated" in a national emergency or war."

I would say he has done his duty and they should leave him alone.

But, I don't know what he agreed to when he signed up.


"Tours" in Japan,Germany and the Phillipines were seeing the world on the taxpayers dime. Afghanistan was the only tough one.
PandorasBox
I think after serving five years faithfully and tours in Afghanistan, Japan, Germany and the Philippines - he should have the right to say "no". How much of a person's life should they have to give? When is enough, enough??? Yes, it does state that the pool can be reactivated in National Emergency & war. Yes, we are "in" a war... But again - at this point what is really considered a threat & national emergency? This war could go on for another five years. I'm not saying we shouldn't have ever went to war - but when is it going to start being productive & not a waste of our US tax dollars??? I also agree with his dad - if there is such a dire need for soldiers over in Afghanistan, then re-instate the draft. How productive can a person be over there after already serving 2 or 3 tours? Especially if they don't want to be there in the first place?
CleverNameGoesHere
IMO it comes down to a written contract. Whether the war is right or wrong he obviously signed some sort of agreement which should be adhered to. Always assume the worst case scenario whether you're signing a waiver at a ski resort, an employment contract, a prenup, whatever. Not that I'm belittling what the soldiers have to do, or comparing their duties to shushing down a bunny slope, mind you...
Ithlilian
I think it all depends on what they signed up for. If he joined the military he didn't just do it for 5 years or two months, don't you do it for life? If your country needs you, you go, or DON'T SIGN UP.

It's not a draft, you chose to serve.
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