FACT: Barack Obama voted to allow reckless lawsuits designed to bankrupt the firearms industry.1

FACT: Barack Obama wants to re-impose the failed and discredited Clinton Gun Ban.2

FACT: Barack Obama voted to ban almost all rifle ammunition commonly used for hunting and sport shooting.3

FACT: Barack Obama has endorsed a complete ban on handgun ownership.2

FACT: Barack Obama supports local gun bans in Chicago, Washington, D.C., and other cities.4

FACT: Barack Obama voted to uphold local gun bans and the criminal prosecution of people who use firearms in self-defense.5

FACT: Barack Obama supports gun owner licensing and gun registration.6

FACT: Barack Obama refused to sign a friend-of-the-court Brief in support of individual Second Amendment rights in the Heller case.

FACT: Barack Obama opposes Right to Carry laws.7

FACT: Barack Obama was a member of the Board of Directors of the Joyce Foundation, the leading source of funds for anti-gun organizations and “research.”8

FACT: Barack Obama supported a proposal to ban gun stores within 5 miles of a school or park, which would eliminate almost every gun store in America.9

FACT: Barack Obama voted not to notify gun owners when the state of Illinois did records searches on them.10

FACT: Barack Obama voted against a measure to lower the Firearms Owners Identification card age minimum from 21 to 18, a measure designed to assist young people in the military.11

FACT: Barack Obama favors a ban on standard capacity magazines.12

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory micro-stamping.13

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory waiting periods.2

FACT: Barack Obama supports repeal of the Tiahrt Amendment, which prohibits information on gun traces collected by the BATFE from being used in reckless lawsuits against firearm dealers and manufacturers.14

FACT: Barack Obama supports one-gun-a-month sales restrictions.9

FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on inexpensive handguns.9

FACT: Barack Obama supports a ban on the resale of police issued firearms, even if the money is going to police departments for replacement equipment.9

FACT: Barack Obama supports mandatory firearm training requirements for all gun owners and a ban on gun ownership for persons under the age of 21.9

1. United States Senate, S. 397, vote number 219, July 2, 2005. (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00219)

2. Independent Voters of Illinois/Independent Precinct Organization general candidate questionnaire, Sept. 9, 1996. The responses on this survey were described in “Obama had greater role on liberal survey,” Politico, March 31, 20087. (http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0308/9269.html)

3. United States Senate, S. 397, vote number 217, Kennedy amendment July 2, 2005. (http://www.senate.gov/legislative/LIS/roll_call_lists/roll_call_vote_cfm.cfm?congress=109&session=1&vote=00217)

4. David Wright, Ursula Fahy and Sunlen Miller, "Obama: 'Common Sense Regulation' On Gun Owners' Rights," ABC News' "Political Radar" Blog, http://blogs.abcnews.com, 2/15/08. (http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalradar/2008/02/obama-common-se.html)

5. Illinois Senate, March 25, 2004 SB 2165, vote 20.

6. “Fact Check: No News In Obama's Consistent Record.” Obama ’08, December 11, 2007. (http://www.barackobama.com/factcheck/2007/12/11/fact_check_no_news_in_obamas_c.php)

7. “Candidates' gun control positions may figure in Pa. vote,” Pittsburgh Tribune-Review, Wednesday, April 2, 2008, and "Keyes, Obama Are Far Apart On Guns," Chicago Tribune, 9/15/04. (http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/news/s_560181.html)

8. 1998 Joyce Foundation Annual Report, p. 7. (http://www.joycefdn.org/pdf/98_AnnualReport.pdf)

9. “Obama and Gun Control,” The Volokh Conspiracy, taken from the Chicago Defender, Dec. 13, 1999. (http://www.volokh.com/posts/1203389334.shtml)

10. Illinois Senate, May 5, 2002, SB 1936 Con., vote 26.

11. Illinois Senate, March 25, 2003, SB 2163, vote 18.

12. “Clinton, Edwards, Obama on gun control,” Radio Iowa, Sunday, April 22, 2007. (http://learfield.typepad.com/radioiowa/2007/04/clinton_edwards.html)

13. Chicago Tribune blogs, “Barack Obama: NIU Shootings call for action,” February 15, 2008, (http://blogs.trb.com/news/politics/blog/2008/02/barack_obama_comments_on_shoot.html)

14. Barack Obama campaign website: “As president, Barack Obama would repeal the Tiahrt Amendment . . .” (http://www.barackobama.com/issues/urbanpolicy/#crime-and-law-enforcement.)

Not surprising since he is perhaps the most extremely far left member of congress. But goood to bring the facts to light. It's time to start. Let everyone see what the guy really stands for.

"Change? Nope: just the same old far far laft extreme agenda that most Americans have rejected over and over again.

Sounds as if Obama might want to make it easier for organized crime groups to take control of that industry.

I say lets insist that Obama spend about six months living in a remote part of WV.....perhaps on a mountain, far away from law enforcement...........before he signs any of this into legal reality. That way, he'll know that it is possible and reasonable to own a gun for perfectly legitimate reasons. Or...........on a farm.....if someone stops and destroys your property, a good percentage of your livlihood can be destroyed before the police even get to your farm.

But, but, he says he is for the 2nd amendment.

Excellent post Snoopy.

It sounds like he may think the second amendment is the right to "bare arms".

That's my big prob with democrats. They don't understand the second amendment.

I agree with that, it is also one of my major problems with Democrats.

And all of those facts are why I could never vote for Obama.

We found common ground!!!

What do you Obama supporters think of this?

http://blogs.usatoday.com/onpolitics/2008/...nterstitialskip

"Two Muslim women at Barack Obama's rally in Detroit Monday were barred from sitting behind the podium by campaign volunteers seeking to prevent the women's headscarves from appearing in photographs or on television with the candidate," The Politico's Ben Smith reports.

According to Ben:

The campaign has apologized to the women, all Obama supporters who said they felt betrayed by their treatment at the rally.

"This is of course not the policy of the campaign. It is offensive and counter to Obama's commitment to bring Americans together and simply not the kind of campaign we run," said Obama spokesman Bill Burton. "We sincerely apologize for the behavior of these volunteers."

Former vice president Al Gore formally endorsed Obama at that Monday rally.

How sad, for his campaign, a man who proclaims "Yes we can" (unless it will make me look bad). Should immediately dismiss the volunteers in question. Personally meet with these women and apologize to them.

If Mr. McCain's campaign volunteers were to do the same type of thing to say, evangelicals, I would expect him to take the same type action I am suggesting for Mr. Obama.

This seems very logical and practical.

Kinda reminds me of Bush's campaign keeping out people who had T shirts with logos that were against the war or pro democrat. I wonder why anyone cares what one wears, as long as one is not indecently exposed.

Very valid point, we are Americans, and have more freedoms than anyone else in the world.

Thanks for posting it Snoopy. It is the main reason I won't vote for Obama for any reason. The only thing on that list I come close to agreeing with is firearms training if you own a gun. For that I believe it should be if you want to carry you have to under go firearms training. Everyone should have the right to carry unless you area minor, nuts or a criminal.

They all do it to some extent, but what makes this worse is that Obama says he's for change, but he does the same crap as the rest of them.

The only thing he's going to change is which group of nuts is going to be running the asylum.

I thought that was a secret.

SCOTUS rules DC's gun ban unconstitutional.


I've never understood why people get so worked up over this issue. There are 2 things the SC is never going to do... overturn Roe v Wade and ban guns. I don't consider either issue when I decide who to vote for.

The vote was 5-4 and you're confident, huh? The leading presidential candidate thinks most guns should be banned. The Aussies and Brits probably thought like you and where are they now?

They are with an overall lower rate in homicides, including those committed by gun.

Don't bother preaching to me that people kill people, and that guns don't kill people. I've heard it all before.

I call BS. Violent crime went up in both places. As expected.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article....RTICLE_ID=15304

http://www.newsmax.com/inside_cover/guns_e...8/26/27556.html

Yes.

I call NOT B.S.

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Snopes also addressed the misleading report that gun crime was up in Australia.

UK

I obviously haven't read the entire decision yet but I do understand, and happen to agree with, Justice Scalia's views on this issue and I can tell you that he supports some of the restrictions and regulations that you complained about in your original post to this thread and in other comments you've made in the past.

This vote, and this law for that matter, are light years away from any resemblance of what happened in Australia and the UK.

Ditto.

Actually, Obama's stand on gun rights is the only problem I have with him.

And I'm NOT a Democrat!

...and I'm NOT a supporter of gun control (unless it's the mantra to "use both hands").

I've got more guns than cats, and believe me, that's saying something!

Obma is a joke. To me he is nothing but wind pizz and excitement headed for more than he can handle.

You never have to many guns.

Sure hope you're wrong about Obama.

We'll have to agree to disagree on that one.

But you're damn-skippy on the "never too many guns" part!

This is a great day for Americans.

What the He!! is Scalia talking about, a new right?

Nevermind the impact of gun control laws in other countries what about the impact right-to-carry laws have had in the U.S. I'm pretty sure that the states that have right-to-carry laws in the U.S. have shown lower crime rates than states without them.

I think the democrats have beat this horse to death. They can try to control guns all they want to and the only ones affected are the law abiding citizens. I can't imagine why a "criminal" would all of a sudden adhere to new laws simply because it pertained to gun control of all things!

Wow, I agree with jburrs.

The Dems will never get it.

I believe gun deaths will go up in DC as a result of this ruling. I think it will go up dramatically once everything goes into effect. The reason? Stupid criminals who have been acting with impunity will all of a sudden be facing pissed off home owners defending their families and property with their newly liberated firearms. God Bless America and pass the ammunition!!!


PS the liberals such as Obama will use the death rate going up to argue for gun control they won't distinguish the deaths associated with protecting oneself, they will try to lump it as gun violence. Mark my words on that one.

All gun control laws are now going to be re litigated again.

I doubt it mainly because there aren't that many home invasions where criminals are breaking in people's homes and robbing them at gun point. The gun problems DC has always been faced with was street violence and in some instances business owners being robbed at gun point. I'm pretty sure most businesses in DC have opted for other security measures such as video surveillance and in parts of the city more susceptible to violent crime they may use bulletproof protected checkout counters like in Baltimore.

This ruling was more about those outside of the district as opposed to the residents within DC.

There are a lot of democratic voters who don't support gun control just like there are a lot of Republican voters who wouldn't support a ban on abortion. Party leaders use these issues at election time to manipulate the extremists in their parties. Unfortunately there's still a lot of them as well.

Very true, I know some Democrats that are pro 2nd amendment, they are not the problem as they are not the ones with the power.

Patrick, welcome to the forums, but you forgot to add your own ideas to the quote.

Gentlemen-
This is my first post here. I want to tell you all that USA Today and Reason Magazine have documented the violent crime epidemic in England . Murders are the only violent crime that is worse in America . Years ago, a study by Colin Geenwood of Scotland Yard found English gun laws ineffective. His study was reported in Guns & Ammo Magazine. Recently, Prof. Don Kates wrote about it and recent developments .

The threat of gun confiscation is real. Consider the law in California that required all non-registered " assault weapons " to be turned in . People were arrested under it and many received letters ordering them to turn in their guns.
The Lautenberg Amendment made anyone who had ever been convicted of a domestic violence misdemenor suddenly ineligible to own or possess a gun. Those people number probably in the hundreds of thousands . some police and security people lost their jobs, as the law is retroactive to George Washington's first term .
Many laws do not ban guns but prevent their carry or even transportation, add costs and trouble and invade privacy. In addition, these laws waste billions of dollars in taxpayers' money. The sawed off shotgun law was used to entrap Randy Weaver and led to the Ruby Ridge atrocity . The Waco raid was intended to result in a huge seizure of guns . In other words, 'gun control' is obnoxious and is an issue worth voting about .

As to the Second Amendment ruling : You can find many books such as Second Amendment Primer that explain the meaning of the Amendment. Briefly stated, it reaffirmed and made permanent an existing right in the colonies, to carry, display and own guns . The reason stated was the need for a militia . The archaic phrase "well-regulated" refers to good training/marksmanship .

Thanks to media-spread misinformation, the idea that the Second Amendment only guaranteed rights to militiamen became something " everybody knows " , so the court ruling has shocked some people .

Keep in mind that dire predictions of a murder orgy are not only unsupported by past experience but are not a substitute for facts and logic ( however real the speculations may seem to their proponents ) .

To learn more, visit www.jpfo.org and www.nealknox.com .

Good luck and good reading !

Not to mention what the bozos did trying to confiscate guns during Katrina's aftermath.

Gentlemen-
A large number of 'gun control ' advocates view the various registration, waiting period, background check , gun-free zone , licensing , bans on sales , Domestic Violece Protection Act ban on ownership , importation restrictions, machine-gun freeze, "assault weapon" bans only as steps toward English-style confiscation , " the camel's nose under the tent ".

Such people believe that only confiscation, which could theoretically put guns out of reach of theives etc. has a hope of accomplishing anything .

The Heller decision seems to have dealt a serious blow to their dream of " meaningful " gun control . I wonder if they will continue pushing for largely symbolic half-way measures now that confiscation appears to be off of the table.

Note- The Nazi Weapons Law of 1939 was used for confiscation . Years later, that same Nazi law was used as the model for the 1968 Gun Control Act in America. You can read the proof in Gun Control , Gateway to Tyranny from Jews For The Preservation of Firearms Ownership .

Why are you only talking to gentleman? Ladies can't have guns?

Rude.

I just used " Gentlemen" as a sort of archaic greeting. Of course women can and do own guns - IF they were never convicted of a domestic violence misdemenor, were never convicted of a felony, are not the subject of a protection order
that requires no gun possession etc.

There seem to be a lot of classes of people that other people wish to bar from gun ownership : minors, mentally ill persons, and so on. I bet somebody would like to add women to the list ...

I once read about a town where women were prohibited from buying a gun without written permission from their husbands . The rationale for this was that women shoot their spouses more often than men do . It was quite an article but I can't remember what magazine I read it in .

Gun makers tried to market to women a few years ago but the effort didn't succeed . Men tend to hunt, target shoot and collect , so they buy lots of different guns. Fewer women are gun enthusiasts, so they may buy one defense gun and leave it at that .

Almost all women's magazines are anti-gun and have refused even innocuous advertising from Smith & Wesson . This, on top of Hollywood movie propaganda diguised as entertainment may give a lot of women an aversion to guns .

Forgot to mention a good women's gun web site, www.corneredcat.com .

FYI- The video " A Woman's Guide to Firearms " is now out on DVD as well as VHS . I think it is still available from the NRA for about $10 . It is great instruction for anyone but , because it is for women, men always refuse to watch it .

Propaganda like this?

Ahhhh, Sarah Connor...my hero!

HAHAHA.........ladies here in the sexist part of the nation here I live all depend on men for everything. I own weapons, use them, and make no secret of it. I am even planning on teaching my son and my stepsons how to hunt and fish. Even when I mow the lawn, people look at me as if I am crazy, and as if my husband should be the only person in this partnership who handles a lawn mower or a weed wacker! We even taught my autistic stepson how to use a pellet gun to chase the neighbors dogs and other wild animals away from the trash! (nothing else seems to work) No one else's MOTHER here ever taught them to shoot!

Coma :
I looked at your pictures and I feel a sudden aversion to guns coming over me . (LOL)

Now you've got me forgetting what we were discussing and fixated on the women in the pictures .

[ leaves, takes cold shower ]

Actually, I was referring to movies like The Pelican Brief , Witness, Mosquito Coast, Quigley Down Under , Crash and many more. Movies often depict average citizens as unskilled and ineffective with their guns. They depict 'gun control ' advocates as numerous and pro-gunners as few . Movies shock the senses with violence and due to the principle of " association " , we are trained to fear the gun along with the violence we saw closely associated with it .
Psychology, like guns, is a tool that can be used for good or evil. Movie makers use it for evil .

I'm tired of being serious. I'm going back to look at your pictures some more . (LOL)