Has anyone else listened to Dr. Laura? Laura Schlessinger, I think it is. I listen to her on AM radio on the way home after work a good bit and at least once a month she says something that makes my eyes almost pop outta my head! Recently, a caller described how her 18 year old daughter is getting ready to graduate and afterwards wants to move in with her boyfriend. The daughter asked the mother if she could move back home if things didn't work out. Dr. Laura told the caller/mother to call her daughter an "unpaid whore"! She specifically told this woman to use that exact language. I couldn't believe it. Dr. Laura went on ranting about how this daughter would go to live "immorally" and contract sexually transmitted diseases, have abortions, and a slew of other ridiculous things. Since when does moving in with your boyfriend mean you're a dirty, trashy, slut? You know, I can agree and disagree with Dr. Laura on a lot of issues, but she is just out of her mind on this one. I think parents are too soft on their children these days, but this is going too far and teaching her daughter disrespect. I mean what kind of example is she setting for her daughter that way? I can't imagine how I'd feel if my mother called me that. I could describe so many other calls that sent me into a rage, but I'll stop my rant now. Anyone else listen to this looney lady?

What irks me is that she says that women with children should not work, yet what does she works and has children. There's an episode of Frasier where they make fun of Dr. Laura by having Dr. Nora come on the show and tell everyone that their whores, yet it ends up Dr. Nora is slut.

I don't listen to talk radio.One friend is a Stern addict and I caught some Tom guys show the other night at another buddies garage doin' some wrenchin'.That Tom dude was one women hating dawg.He called them every name in the book.The funniest part was when a caller would say "Tom take me out with a bong hit" and he would play a water bong hit sound clip.

That would be Tom Lycus (not sure on the spelling) yup your right he is one woman hating so and so. He thinks all women are out for one thing... the mans money. But he's funny to listen too. He's on 95.9 after 6pm... but I'll warn you strong women he'll piss you off. My girlfriend hates him.

I can't STAND Dr. Laura. I don't listen to her show, because it would just end up sending me into rage, but I remember a few years ago when she said all gay people are "biological errors". So a bunch of people started a website, http://www.stopdrlaura.com, and they got her tv show cancelled. She's one of those radical religious rite people.

Tom Lycos is a scourned woman-hater. I've listened to his show before, but I take what he says with a grain of salt. He obviously has had some bad experiences with women, so now he hates them all. So misguided.

Did anybody else know that Dr. Laura is Jewish?

I've only heard her a couple of times, but was thoroughly unimpressed. I would agree that it probably isn't the wisest thing to move in with your guy straight out of HS, but the rest is just crap. I change the station when she comes on.

With the last name, I would have guessed German, but not necessarily, Jewish.

Yeah see was on a tv magazine thing like Dateline or something not to long ago, and said that she converted to Judaism. I just don't like her whole I'm more moral than you, and everyone should listen kinda crap.

Agreed. But name calling is ridiculous.

Yes, over the top. When I was in 6th grade, I went trick-or-treating with a classmate in her subdivision. When we came in her dad started yelling at her calling her a b*tch, slut, ho, every name in the book. I was appalled. I had never heard anyone speak to their child that way. It was a great first impression.

Wow.

http://www.blowmeuptom.com/host.html

Yeah, Tom's been married 4 times...a real expert.

His caller's make the show.

I've heard a few things that she has said too on her radio program and I think she is nuts!

She may be nuts but she is on hundreds of radio stations and plenty of nuts listen to her.

Since forever. Only since the 60's has such a thing been considered acceptable, at least by SOME peoples' standards.

Dr. Laura is successful because she dramatically overstates her opinions. As all can see, it's a lot more than just not pulling her punches. She, as many other successful talk show hosts, is where she is because she gets people riled up one way or the other.

Me,
A card-carrying member of the vast right-wing conspiracy, and you can't do a thing about it! heehee!

I think it makes more sense to live with someone before committing the rest of your life with them. Some people are great to be with, but are completely different once you share a home with them.

The problem with the older talk show hosts (like Dr. Laura) is that they are a little out dated. She has not evolved with the times. It was not acceptable back in the 50's to live with someone of the opposite sex. Times are different now, and as much as some people don't want things to change, that's just a natural part of life that you can't stop. When I was in college, I lived in a co-ed dormitory building, which would have NEVER been acceptable back in the day.

Moving in with your boyfriend right after graduation may not be the best thing, (try college first, living by yourself and being comfortable with yourself and learning independence first), but that's just my opinion. Maybe it would work out for someone else, who knows? I do think it's a must to live with someone and have sex with them before you get married. Seems like common sense to me.



BMIC, moving in with the person you are seeing in no way makes a person a slut. If you disagree, well then you'd be labeling me as a slut and well that's just not nice.

Let me share with you a story. A 16 year old girl had a baby by an 18 year old boy back in '76. They moved in together. They waited until the right time for them to get married, 11 years later in '87. Their daughter was not allowed to attend the services at the courthouse, because the daughter had to go to school. The daughter is 27 year old me and I am extremely proud to say that my parents just celebrated their 17 year anniversay on April 10th.

Sorry to sound heartless, but my opinion only sounds that way due to the current state of moral decay and the lie of moral relativism that so many have accepted.

I believe in absolute moral standards, and nowadays it seems as if most people do not. Just because most people in a certain area or nation think a certain way at the moment, that doesn't make them RIGHT. History has taught us that lesson. But of course it's now fashionable to say "that was THEN and this is NOW". Not only do so many ignore the lessons learned over the centuries: some actually actively reject them. As if human nature and the consequences of certain actions have somehow changed.

Too many look at moral absolutes as some kind of Ivory Tower commands imposed by an evil authority, be it human or divine. They're not: they're simply a road map to success for both the individual and society at large. As they say: those who ignore history are destined to repeat it. The consequences of moral decay are crystal clear.

Whoa...
Leave it to Greedy to find the contradictions!

Man I want more smilies...webbie please more smilies...I coulda used the one smilie hittin' the other one over the head with a hammer...

Good points. I too find the choice of smilies lacking to sufficiently express my thoughts. I often wish i had the pointing and laughing smilie.

<okay, so I'm bored>

me 2...looking for the smilie that's holdin' a sign that says "I'm with stupid" and pointing up to previous post...

What are you the moral police now? To each his own.....Not everyone feels the same you do BMIC, and that does NOT make them bad people, simply because they don't feel the same way YOU do. Hey BMIC, Westboro Baptist Church called...they want you to come home now....

Greedy....TOUCHE on the contradictions of Mr. Morals....

So it is great to be illegitimate? What benefit do you get? I am glad your parents grew up and decided to marry for your sake....but marriage is a commitment...so why be roommates? I admit I tried it once--and I then moved out...it was dumb...it was so phony...like saying you like all vegetables but the green ones..or you are a little bit pregnant...

Illegitimate!!! OH NO!! NOT THAT!!!

Illegitimate = A piece of paper (your birth certificate) stating your parents aren't married. BIG DEAL! It has nothing to do with the fact that you have parents. It's all about what you do once you become a parent that's important. I'd rather have 2 parents who are divorced yet still love me and who can still get along, rather than 2 married parents that hate each other and only make life miserable for everyone, INCLUDING THE CHILD. I think a lot of people stay together BECAUSE of their children these days. That's fine if you can get along with the other person and that's what you really want to do. But when you fight, cheat, and just screw each other over what kind of message is that sending to the kid who's stuck in the middle? Who made that stupid illegitimate rule up anyway? Just another label in the long lines of labels in this country...As soon your born you're labeled, I mean god forbid that while you were in the womb, your parents decided not to get married!

so is marriage--just a piece of paper....in both cases though legally they MEAN something...this is the difference...
it also means something to the welfare state--ie, you get benefits for the kid if you are not in wedlock...which means that you & me the tax paying public pay for this....because more than 70% of illegitmate children grow up in poverty....

I understand your points on the legal side of it...But should 2 people run out and get married because a baby is on the way, if they KNOW that the marriage isn't going to last anyway? Don't you think that's a HUGE contributing factor to the divorce rate in this country? Everyone preaches about marriage, and everyone RUSHES to marriage, but just as many marriages FAIL as the ones that LAST. The legal side of illigitimacy all boils down to reform. Change the laws on welfare...Don't base it on illigitimacy anymore, just make that a non-issue. Of course we could go on all day about welfare reform though...

Boy! With this new job I could tell you some things about people "getting over" on the system.

I was born in April of 1957 and I found the marriage certificate of my parents one day and it was dated November of 1957!! That doesn't make diddly squat difference about the type/kind of person the child is. How the parents raise you does make the difference. My parents were absolutely awful to each other.Constantly fighting. Now when me and hubby disagree(my euphemism for fighting) I get the same knot in the pit of my stomach that I did when I was a kid stuck in the middle of their fights.Papers really don't mean anything,they're just needed for the legalities.

I want the green smilie that throws up!! Forget where I saw that one!

I was engaged when I got pregnant. Our daughter was 15 months old when we got married. It was as much a financial thing as anything else. The wedding was in the works, so it wasn't a big deal. On the other hand, my sis-in-law married this guy she ahd been living with since I started dating my husband. After living together at least 7 years, the marriage lasted less than 18 mos. Go figure!

You hear about that kind of stuff a lot, and it kind of makes you wonder why they were happy living together for seven years why did getting married ruin it all.

Speaking of welfare...How ridiculous is this???

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/Midwest/04/14/s...s.ap/index.html

What a panic! Okay, we have a problem with obesity...but now we are giving food to the kids in addition to what we give in foodstamps, welfare lunch at school--where will it end?

IF You had read the article, they are giving food to these kids because they are hungry. What in god's name is so wrong with that? Would you just let them starve if you knew they weren't being fed right at home? How about we just LET THEM STARVE instead?

It isn't anything. It doesn't matter.



Don't assume to know anything about the circumstances of their marriage. If I want you know why they got married, I'll let you know.



Because you'll want to find out if you can even live together and share space before you jump right into marriage. If I find out he poops with the door open, or sleeps in underoos, I'll re-think it.

Yeah, but it's not the school's job to provide food for students! That's why we have government programs such as food stamps, and that's why many churchs have soup kitchens! All we need is money meant for education going to food.

LoL...

Heather thanks for makin' me spit water on my puter screen...

It's left over food from the lunches ALREADY provided. Waste not, want not....At least the food isn't going into the trash and into a hungry childs stomach. So you're saying that since the parents are falling on hard times, or whatever the case may be, let's punish the hungry child as well? That's real caring of you....

No I'm saying that we already have social programs that address this issue, and we don't need our schools giving out food. Plus the food isn't leftovers, it's subsidized by the school system to pay for these kids' breakfast & lunch.

I understand what you're saying, but if kids are hungry let them eat. I'd rather they took that food home than go hungry...OBVIOUSLY they aren't getting fed at home, so why not let the poor kids eat? Just my opinion...

BMIC and TXEX, so are you agreeing with Dr. Laura? Do you think she was correct in instructing this mother to call her daughter an upaid whore? Do you consider all unmarried couples living together to be whores? Would you think the same if it were your own son or daughter? If so, would you call your son or daughter an unpaid whore to their face?

If the shoe fits.....

ouch...greedy=man whore

God help your kids!

If someone called my daughter a whore I'm afraid she would have been told off royally. Who does she think she is anyway!

No you don't get it: that's your job as her parent. Problem is, too many people AREN'T doing their jobs as parents and our Nation's going down the tubes as a result.

"so are you agreeing with Dr. Laura?"

Uh - YEAH!

Why can't people fathom that somebody could actually believe in Biblical standards? I've got news - the Church may be deathly ill, but she ain't dead yet!

The divorce wasn't my deal. I married a non-christian back in my days as a backslider. The immoral laws of the State allowed her to get a divorce without my consent, after we had been separated long enough.

Actually she waited an extra year before proceeding, in part because I was voluntarily giving her more than twice the support that she would normally be entitled to. Because she needed it! In point of fact, by that time she was in an adulterous relationship with a guy, but I would have forgiven her if she had asked.

I opposed it as much as I could (which wasn't much), but it's not like we had a battle. She understood and respected my beliefs, though she doesn't share them, and waited until we both knew I couldn't stop it. At that point, we worked out arrangements that worked best for our kids and us both. We continue to have a peaceful and cooperative relationship. But you can be VERY SURE I didn't and would never have, consented to the divorce if there was any chance I could have prevented it.

How on could I be divorced? Read the Bible!

I Corinthians 7:15 says it: "But if the unbelieving depart, let him depart. A brother or a sister is not under bondage in such cases: but God has called us to peace."

And peace is what we both got.

Try not to be surprised, but I obeyed the word of God. I know, it's shocking...

So quick to jump to conclusions, aren't we? Always looking for hypocrisy. We Christian need always be watching our backs.

Why then do all mainstream churches (Methodist, Episcopalian, Lutheran, etc), except the Catholic church, accept divorces. Plus, even in the Catholic church you can just get your marriage annulled.

Even though I feel that having children out of wedlock is wrong, I don't see what's too horrible with two consenting adults living together. I feel that that's what most couples today do before they decide to get married, plus people are still having sex even if they aren't married and aren't living together.