It's the adults who need it, particularly those who never got any in school. Consider higher education for example. The universities are organized around the really important concerns of human beings. That is why there is a college of arts and sciences, a college of business, a college of engineering, a college of agriculture, a school of law, and a school of nursing, among others.

No one can seriously doubt that sexuality is one of the really important concerns of people. But there is not even a department of human sexuality. That is one of the chief reasons that there is so little research done on human sexuality. There is a department of English, a department of political science, a department of chemistry. There are a lot of departments.

Are the colleges and universities afraid to give due prominence to sexuality? Yes. And if they are, what of the public schools? Sex education, when available at all, is often so watered down that it doesn't bear much resemblance to real life. But that isn't the place to begin. It's adults who need sex education, particularly as it relates to parenting and the sexuality of children.

http://www.wisinfo.com/thereporter/news/ar..._14473200.shtml http://www.dollandassociates.com/sexuality.html and http://www.tbns.net/dejesus/sexuality.html

whydoya keep signing in as a different person?

keep one identity and post to it. afraid of your reputation you've earned under your other personnas?

I'm not even gonna open those links based on past links you've posted.

I have a hard enough time justifying sex education at the middle school level, I believe it is the parent's responsibility to educate their children about sex. But I realize that many parents find it awkward to discuss such things, which is a shame.

I wonder how people have gotten along for the thousands of years before sex education was a part of public school curriculum?

Sorry to disagree, but I think there is sufficient sex education on every campus in this country, they don't need to spend money forming a sexuality department! LOL

One more thing.....I think you might need to consider counseling for this strong attachment to the subject of sex. There IS more to life.

The sex education we have now isn't up to par, IMO. People are squirting babies everywhere without a care in the world.

IMO This guy is only one small step away from promoting child pornography. Did anyone read that stuff he posted links to? Disgusting!

I don't know what this has to do with homeschooling, but if this guy is schooling the neighborhood kids in his home about this stuff, he'd better pray he gets arrested and thrown in jail before I get to him!

...squirting babies...????

A fitting verb, no?

Well then you might want to vote for Kerry Heather! Because your man Bush is pushing abstinence-only sex education. While this may be ideal for the average parent, it isn't realistic. Teenagers have raging hormones and they're still going to have sex, so they may as well be taught how to safely do it, rather then let ignorance "squirt out" more babies.

I think abstinence should be taught along with safe sex, but both should be taught.

"Squirting", hmmm...

The only problem with sex education in this country is that "educational" institutes like Planned Parenthood and the likewise are teaching kids as young as 12 and 13 that they are mature enough to care for their kids. They take it one step further and tell kids that if they decide they are not ready, they can always get an abortion. Sex education is only effective when marketed as sex prevention in unmarried instances.

So called sex education these days has not come to terms with apparent reality - the only way to be sure you are not pregnant is to 100% abstain from sex. I know people who have become pregnant on the pill, and plenty of people who have done so using a condom. Heck, if we're honest, we know people that have beomce pregnant while on the pill using a condom.

Suppose you don't adhere to my beliefs of unwed parents. Think about this - sex education programs will not tell kids that the only way to be sure you do not contract STDs is by abstaining until you are married. Even then, your partner will need to be checked if they did not also abstain.

Pregnancy and STDs are rampant because schools teach kids that birth control is fool proof and condoms, when sized correctly, are 99% fool proof. They don't shed light on those cases on people that follow their rules and wind up pregnant or dealing with STDs.

Want things to improve here? Teach, DEMAND, the schools to teach abstinence programs. If you have to, explain the options that people have access to, but DO NOT encourage them. If you don't think that the schools are encouraging sex when they hand out free condoms to kids and if you don't think that the clinics are encouraging sex when they hand out confidential birth control, WAKE UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Get real, get educated.

Yes, and the only fool proof way to ensure you don't get into a car accident is to never drive or ride in a car. Is this realistic? No, it's not. Is it realistic to think that high school kids are all going to abstain from having sex simply because it's the safest way? Nope. So why don't you WAKE UP and stop being so naive.

I'm calling you out on that red herring, Phish. You should know better by now.

I don't understand how one could teachabstinence. I mean, there isn't much to learn from abstaining from doing anything. You just don't do it.

It's unrealistic to rely on abstinence for teenagers. They will have sex. Isn't that the age when most people lose their virginity anyway? It's going to happen no matter how much we discourage it. If I had a kid, I'd rather he or she knew how to properly protect themselves as much as possible from pregnancy and disease, without encouraging them to actually do it. I'd make the talk and the demonstrations an embarassing hell. To send them out with only abstinence under their belt would be only one line of defense. What if abstinence failed for them and they slipped up?

Right, and if the kids get pregnant from this sexual activity, Kerry wants them to be able to have an abortion anytime -- even into the 9th month of pregnancy -- just as long as the whole baby isn't completely delivered, it's just a blob of tissue with zero rights. No guilt, no problem. Yep, Kerry has the plan!

Isn't that illegal? You can't have an abortion past your trimester, right? Where did you get THAT information Snoopy? Washington Times again?

Probably, the Times and elsewhere.

Right now, subject to court battles liberals are waging, it is illegal to have a partial birth abortion, thanks mostly to Bush and republican lawmakers who passed the partial birth abortion ban earlier this year. For example, 33 senators voted against the ban (they voted to allow partial birth abortion), and 31 of them were Democrats.

Over the years, Kerry has voted at least 5 times against a ban on partial birth abortions, and is an avowed abortion supporter. Cold, hard, FACTS.

Geez, and I had written him off as a candidate.

May have to reconsider my vote.

How many animal lovers on this board, who were ready to defend animals against cruelty with broken bottles if necessary based on the earlier thread where animal cruelty was discussed, would wail loudly and gnash their teeth if they found the owner of a pregnant dog performed partial birth abortion on the puppies??? After all they're just blobs of flesh until the last paw is delivered.

Its not that I don't want those options available to people that may choose to inevitably make those choices, but school systems and Planned Parenthood are encouraging sex at an alarming rate.

Handing out free condoms in abundance at school, letting teenage girls get free or low cost confidential birth control... that's encouragement!

I just graduated from high school 3 or 4 years ago... I know what the curriculum was during my time there. Condoms and birth control were being passed out like candy. I was told that birth control can't prevent STDs, but using a condom would keep me from getting them! (Do you know how easy it is to get an STD while using a condom?!?!)

I just don't want to send my son to school in 4 or 5 years and to have him come home saying "Look what I got at school today, Mom! They told me I could have as much sex as I wanted to and they will keep giving me more of these things!" Now, I know most kids wouldn't say anything like that to their parents, but the fact is, they have the ground to say so now. That's have prevalent sex encouragement is becoming in schools these days...

I remember in 8th grade they had a guy from the health department come to talk to us about sex. We each each were given a colored piece of paper, and then he told us that each color represents a STD that we can get (lauging while I type this). Then he explained to us about how to use different types of condoms. It was such a joke!

I really don't think we need sex ed in the schools because by the time kids are in high school they know they should use a condom, but are too lazy or too afraid of buying them.

Planned Parenthood is a well-known abortion racket. They're owned and operated by the abortion industry. They're all about urging kids to have sex and then profitting off of the inevitable consequences. Anyone who lets them run their sex ed programs these days gets what they deserve - there's no excuse for NOT knowing better.

That said, I wish kids and/or their parents could sue every time someone practicing what they're TOLD is "safe" sex gets V.D. or pregnant. Kids and adults across our nation are being lied to. We need to make the lying propagandists pay for the damage they're causing. Condoms give people a false sense of security, and given their failure rate you LITERALLY may just as well teach the kids to play "Russian roulette".

The only effective intervention requires a change in the culture. If having sex wasn't so popular, kids wouldn't be doing it. Abstinence is the only effective birth control, and anyone who teaches otherwise should be held personally accountable for the damage they cause.

When is sex not going to be popular anywhere for anyone? In this day and age, you can die from having sex, and yet it's still something the general masses salivate over.

The abortion industry?

Who's the CEO?

If it weren't for organizations like Planned Parenthood your tax dollars would be supporting a whole lot more welfare receipients.

No, I encourage pet owners to spay/neuter their pet, just as I'd like to encourage certain people in this world to spay/neuter themselves so they can't procreate!

The facts are with animals, as is humans, there's not always someone to care for them. Since animals are held in lower regard, we can just euthanize them (or shoot them in the head ). Pro-lifers always tout adoption, but what about the overcrowded, underfunded orphanages in this country? What about all the lost, mistreated children in foster homes? The system doesn't work. Why bring another child into this world that isn't going to receive the life it deserves?

Bullcrap. Kill babies instead of give them a chance at life? For whatever reasons, adoption is very hard in this country. I know very well a couple who have been trying for years to adopt, are very qualified, and can't get a baby. They're told maybe in 5-10 years!!! I don't understand the adoption laws, but I know it is expensive, stressful, and takes a very long time. And even once the papers are signed the parent has up to 30 days (some states 60 days) to change their mind and take the baby back from the adoptive parents. Imagine how stressful that is!!!!!! Last I heard there were up to 40 adoptive parents waiting for every baby available for adoption. The adoption system could be made to work a heck of a lot better than it does. But unwanted babies aren't too much of a constituency I guess.

A small part of me could very grudgingly allow abortions in the first trimester if there was no other way to get laws passed prohibiting any abortions after that and if there was a one abortion per person limit. Would I like it, no, but if I had to bargain I guess that is better than what we have and what most of the abortion-rights crowd wants which includes going back to "legally" killing a baby after 9 months in the womb because it is only half-delivered. That is sick, sick, sick, and I still say if they showed it happening to cute animals half the country would be up in arms screaming about it on the Mall in DC.

ROTFLMAO mfer...

maybe it's......

SATAN!

Everybody wants a baby...

Tell your friends to go for a older child Snoopy.

I agree that the adoption process in this country is ridiculous and needs to be reformed in a BIG way. Why do you think so many people adopt from other countries? Because it's easier! Meanwhile, there are children in foster homes who are rarely checked on. It's a very sad situation.

Snoopy, I also agree that an abortion should not be allowed after the first trimester (unless of course the mother's life is at risk), and I may even agree that it should only be allowed once per person (but with exceptions like rape or incest). I find it just plain wrong with these girls who keep getting pregnant and have abortion after abortion. If you can't learn from your mistakes then you shouldn't be having sex and need to start taking responsibility for your actions. But everybody makes a mistake sometimes.

Good point. All the angelic babies are probably already adopted. Tell your friends to check the "badass pre-teen with attitude problem" box on their adoption forms.

Do they have a selection for "precocious female with large boobs" ?

Yoss! Did Greedy possess your body and take over your mind?

huh? what? where am I???

So what PHISH I like boobies...doesn't make me a bad person

I never said it made you a bad person - in fact, it's quite consistent with males, so you're right on track Greedy! I was just surprised that those words came from Yoss' mouth, before yours!

With all due respect, I shall do no such thing. It is not my place -- or yours -- to tell them who they should want to adopt. These folks have suffered through a lot -- a lost pregnancy after lotsa fertility treatments, then disease that left her completely sterile, and being in line for 3 adoptions that did not pan-out in the end. Anyone who has healthy kids (and wants them) should count their blessings.

My point was there are plenty of good homes to handle many many more babies so that (a lack of adoptive parents) is not an excuse for choosing abortion.

Who's the CEO of the tobacco industry?

Who's the CEO of the garment industry?

Who's the CEO of the petroleum industry?

Really stupid comeback, that one...

Abortion is big business: very very very BIG business. There are some very rich executioners out there, with the blood of millions of innocent children on their heads. Many of those business owners have a stake in Planned Parenthood.

ah come on, cut me a break, it was early, and the company's computer network was havin' problems.

I really, really hate to do this to ya BMIC, but I really would like to see some $$$ figures on how it's a very big business. Especially, since most doctors associated with planned parenthood clinics, perform their services for free or at least a very, very reduced rate. Let's face it, not very many welltodo people go to PP.

Now, ya wanna talk big medical business, plastic surgery, that's where the moola is.

Well, BMIC I guess I gotta concede some issues to you. Did a little research myself on abortion numbers/statistics. Now I know, depending on what site you go to, to get the numbers, they'll be skewed in favor of whatever group is presenting the stats. But I found an interesting site here:

http://womensissues.about.com/cs/abortions...ortionstats.htm

I guess this just goes to show how damn important sex education is.

My opinion on abortion, however, has not changed.

Moving in a different direction....
Did anyone see the article in the Post on Sunday about people taking classes to learn how to flirt with, pick-up, and bed the babe of your dreams? It was amusing. Appearantly, the Finns have outscored (no pun intended) the Italians in the hot lover category and now the Italians are into classes to get the passion factor fired up. Now that's sex education!

You or Yoss ain't been hangin' in the north end lately have ya?

What's in the North end?

Not sure...but you know what they say about those North end girls...

they like it IDB...

What!? That's ridiculous! and how would you know Greedy?

Oh when it comes to things like that, Greedy is THE expert around here. Did you forget?

I have so many come backs for ya BMIC on that, but I will spare ya today and today only.

ah, go ahead greedy. it's slow in here today.

Some guy has been accosting 14-16 year old girls in the North End of Hagerstown -- grabbing their boobies and running off.

What a creep! I live in the North end - I'll have to keep an eye out!

By the way, you can see what kind of sex predators are living in your neighborhood by going to this link:

http://www.dpscs.state.md.us/sorSearch/

That's messed up

That's creepy they have pics of the perv...I have 1 for my zip...AND IT'S NOT ME!